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Re: New Bug ! Sun, 22 January 2012 12:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bystander wrote on Sun, 22 January 2012 02:50

When the turn generates, a waypoint zero scrap of Electronics happens and you get the level. Now that you have exceeded ALL the tech requirements for Shadow Shields by 1, the shields are 4% cheaper. Production phase comes in later and gives you less credit for the old base than was displayed last turn.

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Something to bear in mind, even if it appears this wasn't the case here. Hit Computer

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Re: New Bug ! Sun, 22 January 2012 12:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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maxfra wrote on Sun, 22 January 2012 15:12

I really cannot understand ....

Me neither. Confused

Can you at least check what the upgraded base cost was when you queued it last turn, and what that cost is now? my 2 cents

Also, what were the costs for the base design being replaced? Is it the same in both turns or has it changed? Teleport

And, just to be complete, what minerals were present? Is the current stockpile coherent with the past stockpile plus mining minus what was used in the Starbase? UFO abduction

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Re: New Bug ! Sun, 22 January 2012 13:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Maybe when game is over game files for the turns can be sent out to me so I can see and actually understand all of this. Thanks.

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Re: New Bug ! Mon, 23 January 2012 09:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I had plenty of minerals at the planet. The production queue was only with the sb upgrade and terraforming after that. The upgrade cost was 67 res both the year I set the production and the following one when it was not completed. The planet produced 70 res (both before and after) but the upgrade was completed only to 89%.

I'm going to add an example of what occurred some turn ago when I tried to upgrade the same sb in two different planets to the same new one. Also in that turn I got weapons tech via scrapping.

planet 1:
production:31
SB upgrade cost: 25
minerals:more than necessary.
% complete the following turn: 93%
SB upgrade cost the following turn: 23

planet 2:
production: 26
SB upgrade cost: 25
minerals:more than necessary.
% complete the following turn: 78%
SB upgrade cost the following turn: 23

in both cases the SB upgrade was the only item in the queue.

[Updated on: Mon, 23 January 2012 13:20]

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Re: New Bug ! Mon, 23 January 2012 13:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Did you have ISB? If ISB is falsely displaying the 20% discount on the entirety of they starbase cost its may explain the incomplete build.

67 resource cost (ISB displayed) x 1.2 to get relative actual cost = 80.4 resources

70 resources produced on planet (put to build) / 80.4 actual resources needed to complete = 87%

seems like this might be the case. Altho actual cost would be more around 84 resources to get a 67.2 displayed cost after a 20% reduction. Was just showing the quick math i used to come up with this.

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Re: New Bug ! Mon, 23 January 2012 14:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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maxfra wrote on Mon, 23 January 2012 15:41

production: 26
SB upgrade cost: 25

Shocked that's pretty tight! Anything that ate just 2 Resources could have caused the problem. Were the Resources that tight too in the most recent instance of the same bug?

Do you have fancy LRTs like UR or BET? What about your Research settings? Do you devote a fixed percent of each planet's Resources to Research? And if so, how much? Sherlock

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Re: New Bug ! Mon, 23 January 2012 15:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 I often leave 50-100 or 5% extra resources for those special upgrades/tech breaks.
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Re: New Bug ! Mon, 23 January 2012 16:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 Well, if you study the cost of research you'll notice that it increase slightly as your total number of known tech get higher. If you always plan to the precise resource for the next tech level and you gain another level elsewhere via battle or even simply by gaining two levels in the same year then you'll indeed get burned by the fact your calculation will be off.

That, and because of the weird way STARS! round off numbers it is pretty hard to calculate precisely anything.

So, to make a long story short... Calculating some leeway (like 5%) is a good idea.

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Re: New Bug ! Building starbases that cost 99-100% of planet resources and you get a tech gain. Sat, 21 April 2012 11:01 Go to previous message
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nmid wrote on Tue, 24 January 2012 01:37

I often leave 50-100 or 5% extra resources for those special upgrades/tech breaks.
Been burned too many times, not to take care...


bummer.. I KNEW I had read this somewhere..
so I make the ignoble mistake of not leaving a resource margin despite knowing better.... and then, AFTER I spend a couple of hours creating testbeds and writing out summaries, which proved that rounding errors weren't the cause of the failed upgrades, I finally recollected that the error margins reminded me of a topic I had read on the forums somewhere before.

Sigh, wish I remembered this two turns ago.. or even a couple of hours earlier.

Oh well, testbed is created. I'll upload it for the others.

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