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Obfuscating Alliance Game Race File Naming Tue, 10 January 2012 15:01 Go to next message
torben is currently offline torben

 
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Hi there,

I wanted to place something on the table which I've been seeing in a game with predefined alliances.

One pair of allies named their Races in a way, that the plural race names of both races where the same, don't know for sure about the singular race names, as you cannot see them.

This has certain interesting side effects:

First of all it is no longer possible to distinguish between both races whithin the game. Planet names, Ship and Fleet names, everything is the same. Only on the starmap with enabled player colors you retain the ability to actually tell who is whom (and even that only by memorizing the color).

Even more, the data dumps (Pxx Files etc.) also contain only the plural names, which merges the recon data of both distinct empires together.

While this has a certain style, I have to agree to that, it is a certain tactical hindrance as it takes you the ability to actually know who you are dealing with. If one of the partners is an WM, for example, this could be quite significant.

Given the drawbacks, would you consider this a legitimate tactic (basically on information warfare) or would you think of it as something that should be avoided?


Torben

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Re: Obfuscating Alliance Game Race File Naming Tue, 10 January 2012 16:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've seen that before and think it's entirely legit. You can still tell them apart by the different icons for each race.

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Re: Obfuscating Alliance Game Race File Naming Tue, 10 January 2012 17:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'll done this, and there's no down side to the partnership except in data dumps and even that's workable.

Now the real fun happens when they name their ships with the same names but different designs, One's a BB and ones a DD, so you have to check.

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Re: Obfuscating Alliance Game Race File Naming Tue, 10 January 2012 22:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've seen this done here and there. You can still easily tell them apart - for fleets, look (or click) on player icons; for planets - click on player name. Both of these methods will tell you their player number. In addition, both fleet and planet reports display appropriate names.

I think it is "legal". I also think it's "unethical".

If I were to vote, I'd prevent people from doing this because it doesn't give any benefit to people doing so, but can make experience of others a bit annoying. Since this is a game and everyone is supposed to have fun, doing annoying things seems just wrong.

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Re: Obfuscating Alliance Game Race File Naming Wed, 11 January 2012 11:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Legal bugish thing unless its in the rules that they can't.

I definitely think it is dishonorable and pathetic someone would try to stoop so low to try such a desperate act to make an already sophisticated game into a complicated hindrance on other players just to try and get an extra edge on them.




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Re: Obfuscating Alliance Game Race File Naming Wed, 11 January 2012 12:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Been there, seen that.

I think it is legit. It is definitely easily countered, so in the end is only hinder those who already don't have enough time for MM. And in this case it is all the fault of the player who don't have time to play his turn for not paying attention.

I do agree that it can become really annoying though.



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Re: Obfuscating Alliance Game Race File Naming Wed, 11 January 2012 14:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Eagle of Fire wrote on Wed, 11 January 2012 12:11

I think it is legit. It is definitely easily countered, so in the end is only hinder those who already don't have enough time for MM. And in this case it is all the fault of the player who don't have time to play his turn for not paying attention.


I agree more to what Slimdragon said. Illegal? No. But I find it no fun (unless every team does it, that is).

You are of course right that you need to bring the time for a game like Stars. But what annoys me here is that this is effectivly time lost from my point of view. With real life competing, I am happy for every detail I don't have to manage, which is the main reason it came to my attention.

After all, we play the game for fun, not work Wink


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Re: Obfuscating Alliance Game Race File Naming Wed, 11 January 2012 14:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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torben wrote on Tue, 10 January 2012 21:01

One pair of allies named their Races in a way, that the plural race names of both races where the same,

It might have been a lack of imagination... Rolling Eyes

As others have said, it isn't hard to counter, and you should be paying attention to enemy fleets anyway. Dueling

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don't know for sure about the singular race names, as you cannot see them.

Each fleet name (and minefield) is prefixed by the Singular race name. Twisted Evil



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Re: Obfuscating Alliance Game Race File Naming Wed, 11 January 2012 15:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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LittleEddie wrote on Tue, 10 January 2012 23:00

Now the real fun happens when they name their ships with the same names but different designs, One's a BB and ones a DD, so you have to check.

... or just notice the hull icons and/or the mass. Twisted Evil

Amazingly, they'd have the same problem when queueing items to build, and simple mistakes could be costly. Confused



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Re: Obfuscating Alliance Game Race File Naming Thu, 12 January 2012 02:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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m.a@stars wrote on Wed, 11 January 2012 15:00

LittleEddie wrote on Tue, 10 January 2012 23:00

Now the real fun happens when they name their ships with the same names but different designs, One's a BB and ones a DD, so you have to check.

... or just notice the hull icons and/or the mass. Twisted Evil

Amazingly, they'd have the same problem when queueing items to build, and simple mistakes could be costly. Confused


Oh yeah, that is definitly true ...

It isn't, that I cannot cope with it, it is just annoying. And, as you said, you have to look after enemy fleets anyway. Given my bad memory, I klick thorugh mixed fleets token by token more often anyway.

Well, thanks for your opinions, I'll get back to the easiest counter of all to this tactic, I'll try to wipe it of the map Wink


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Re: Obfuscating Alliance Game Race File Naming Thu, 12 January 2012 04:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Player icons, singular names, fleet mass, paying attention, blah blah blah.

torben wrote


I'll get back to the easiest counter of all to this tactic, I'll try to wipe it of the map Wink

Torben



This gets my vote for the best resolution of the issue!

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Re: Obfuscating Alliance Game Race File Naming Thu, 12 January 2012 06:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Braindead wrote on Thu, 12 January 2012 10:18

torben wrote


I'll get back to the easiest counter of all to this tactic, I'll try to wipe it of the map Wink


This gets my vote for the best resolution of the issue!

Indeed! Nod



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Re: Obfuscating Alliance Game Race File Naming Thu, 12 January 2012 12:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't mind a player using Hex or decimal name tagging systems.. but the concept of having similar plural names for different race names isn't something I'll condone.

It's an enterprising and deviously clever thing to do, but not something that I would do.

IMO it's not in the spirit of the game even if it's not explicitly disallowed by the game engine.

ps - you can change one of the races to friend (temporarily) to see things clearly.. but it's still a pain.



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Re: Obfuscating Alliance Game Race File Naming Thu, 12 January 2012 14:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's an enterprising and deviously clever thing to do,


You say that like it's a bad thing. Wink Seriously though, I aspire to be enterprising and deviously clever in my game play, so I give a tip of my hat to those who do this, along with those who name their BBs "Destroyer" and such other tricks to snare the less than fully awake. Twisted Evil

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Re: Obfuscating Alliance Game Race File Naming Thu, 12 January 2012 17:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I named my race the plural the same as my ally.
I wasnt even aware it would cause problems, it just seemed a good way to complete a joke
His name - Cowboys
My name - Knights
Plural Westerners ~(he lived in Texas, I live in the west country in UK)
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Re: Obfuscating Alliance Game Race File Naming Fri, 13 January 2012 14:23 Go to previous message
torben is currently offline torben

 
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Hi Joseph,

joseph wrote on Thu, 12 January 2012 17:05

I named my race the plural the same as my ally.
I wasnt even aware it would cause problems, it just seemed a good way to complete a joke
His name - Cowboys
My name - Knights
Plural Westerners ~(he lived in Texas, I live in the west country in UK)


Interestingly, I cannot see that with your races, they are "WildWest" and "Westerners" so you are actually distinguishable easily enough.

Well, anyway, from a roleplaying point of view it is a quite fine thing, brings quite some athmosphere to the game.

Actually, if everybody would have done this consequently, things would actually be even easier Smile

As always, two sides to every coin.


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