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Hi everybody,

sorry for late beginning , but Alex and me had a longer discussion about our setup, what was a little bit slowly because of different timezones and both are working. Thanks to Alex for running the tests!

Now it's done and finally I have submitted my racefile to Christian .

I hope in the first years we will submit our turnfiles more fast . Btw., I have suggested to Christian to change the time for turngen from 100 hours to 48 hours at the beginning. Maybe you drop a comment here, if you agree or not agree.

Christian, will we get a own forum for our game?

Regards, Taka Tuka

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AlexTheGreat wrote on Fri, 08 July 2011 20:37

Ahhh.... I joined the game partly because there is plenty of time for turns. How about 60 hours (max) until 2470 & then 100 hours (max) after that? I would not have joined a game at this stage under normal conditions. My RL is pretty busy at times right now.

Sorry, I didn't know . 60 hours would be fine for me as well. I would like to speed up at the beginning a little bit, because in wartimes there could more time be needed for all the communication and coordination. I was optimistic before to have most of the game done by end of this RL-year. I didn't watch for the turngen before and expected 5 turns a week at the beginning. Somebody who is able to read has some advantages .

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Taka Tuka wrote on Sat, 09 July 2011 05:50

AlexTheGreat wrote on Fri, 08 July 2011 20:37 Ahhh.... I joined the game partly because there is plenty of time for turns. How about 60 hours (max) until 2470 & then 100 hours (max) after that? I would not have joined a game at this stage under normal conditions. My RL is pretty busy at times right now. Sorry, I didn't know . 60 hours would be fine for me as well. I would like to speed up at the beginning a little bit, because in wartimes there could more time be needed for all the communication and coordination. I was optimistic before to have most of the game done by end of this RL-year. I didn't watch for the turngen before and expected 5 turns a week at the beginning. Somebody who is able to read has some advantages .

I too joined the game because of the 100h duration between turns. It is likely, initially at least that they will be done sooner, but I coudn't guarantee it. If AH is set to gen 100hrs after each turn, but without accumulating time if possible, that satisfies everyones requirements.

Centaurian.

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XyliGUN wrote on Sat, 09 July 2011 21:00

unfortunately I don't have Stars! toolkit on laptop

Your laptop should have a backup copy of it all, for safety purposes...

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Just sent game files to craebild, so if he didn't find any issues you will be able to start. Good luck to all of you!
I'm apologise for not sending it on Monday as I promised, but that was really hard Monday for me.

XyliGUN wrote

unfortunately I don't have Stars! toolkit on laptop

ma.stars wrote

Your laptop should have a backup copy of it all, for safety purposes...

Don't worry I have a copy of it on my work computer as well as on the phone and also on DVD, so it should be fine.

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XyliGUN wrote on Wed, 13 July 2011 04:25

I have a copy of it on my work computer as well as on the phone and also on DVD, so it should be fine.

DVDs disintegrate with age! Phones get lost all the time in vehicles and pubs! Companies ride the economic rollercoaster!

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craebild wrote

I have received the game files from XyliGUN, and so far the game files seem OK, though I will do a little more testing.

Just a note: when Wheel of Life IV were created and remapped I was mostly use 'manual' editing (like open file, decode it, locate and fix some stuff, encode it back). But Wheel of Life V encouraged me to automate that process and I finally come up to the StarsPlanetMover (it works thru encryption, so I'll publish it as soon as turn verifyer will be ready), which can take any star with all its' content (including stats, minerals, HW, starbase, fleets/waypoints, messages related to that planet) and move it to the specified location in the galaxy. So, thanks to craebild for giving me a challenge.

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XyliGUN wrote on Thu, 14 July 2011 02:31

... So, thanks to craebild for giving me a challenge.

You are welcome

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XyliGUN wrote on Thu, 14 July 2011 02:31

take any star with all its' content (including stats, minerals, HW, starbase, fleets/waypoints, messages related to that planet) and move it to the specified location in the galaxy.

Do I gather then that you managed to apply the HW special status to the planet of your choosing? or is it that you've mastered the process of moving any planet around and not just up and down?

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m.a@stars wrote on Thu, 14 July 2011 23:33

Do I gather then that you managed to apply the HW special status to the planet of your choosing? or is it that you've mastered the process of moving any planet around and not just up and down?

I don't know what XyliGUN does, but my guess is that the name of the planet doesn't come along, just everything else.

That does means that the HW status of the planet (and everything else except the name) has to be moved to another planet ID#.

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XyliGUN wrote

take any star with all its' content (including stats, minerals, HW, starbase, fleets/waypoints, messages related to that planet) and move it to the specified location in the galaxy.

ma.stars wrote

Do I gather then that you managed to apply the HW special status to the planet of your choosing? or is it that you've mastered the process of moving any planet around and not just up and down?

Well, you cannot apply HW status to more stars than players in the game, but it's quite easy to move HW status from one star to another one (technically speaking it's just HW id in player block and special bit in star block). And yes, I can now move any star (including HWs) to any location (up, down, left, right). I'm using command line tool that takes planet id and its' new location coordinates, then it updates xy, hst, m files, so I hope players shouldn't notice any side effects at all (let me know if you find any, I'll fix them).

[Updated on: Fri, 15 July 2011 04:52]

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XyliGUN wrote on Fri, 15 July 2011 10:49

it's quite easy to move HW status from one star to another one (technically speaking it's just HW id in player block and special bit in star block).

Wow! No-one had managed to do that before!

The bits involved should definitely be documented for everybody to know.

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I can now move any star (including HWs) to any location (up, down, left, right). I'm using command line tool that takes planet id and its' new location coordinates, then it updates xy, hst, m files

Great! I gather you've overcome the limitations that the ordering of planets by coordinates imposed?

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I hope players shouldn't notice any side effects at all (let me know if you find any, I'll fix them).

Did you test what happens when one of these HWs gets depopulated and/or taken over?

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XyliGUN wrote

it's quite easy to move HW status from one star to another one (technically speaking it's just HW id in player block and special bit in star block).

ma.stars wrote

Wow! No-one had managed to do that before!

PaulCr actually did something like this with his swapper.

ma.stars wrote

The bits involved should definitely be documented for everybody to know.

I'm going to.

ma.stars wrote

Great! I gather you've overcome the limitations that the ordering of planets by coordinates imposed?

Planets should be ordered as required by xy file format, but this is not a show stopper for moving planets left or right. To do that you just need to update 'several' (actually all of them if you want the most left planet become the most right) planets IDs if you need to change their related x location, but when this done by code it's not a pain at all.

ma.stars wrote

Did you test what happens when one of these HWs gets depopulated and/or taken over?

I didn't, but may be craebild did?

[Updated on: Fri, 15 July 2011 08:40]

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XyliGUN wrote on Fri, 15 July 2011 14:34

PaulCr actually did something like this with his swapper.

He ran into some kind of snag, if I remember well.

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Planets should be ordered as required by xy file format, but this is not a show stopper for moving planets left or right. To do that you just need to update 'several' (actually all of them if you want the most left planet become the most right) planets IDs if you need to change their related x location, but when this done by code it's not a pain at all.

Ahhhh. So that was the trick. Sounds easy once you've shown how it should be done.

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I didn't, but may be craebild did?

Hopefully there won't be any trouble!

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