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| @ Slim, ma.stars, Eagle, Forceuser. |
Fri, 24 June 2011 17:20   |
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Slim... I really wanted to take the high road and not respond to your post, but your points are just so infuriating ...
I'm not going to joke or make light comments, because it's obvious that you (and at times blue) don't get it.
I decided on a challenge and decided to attack you, instead of froggies.
I'll post my game story later.
Secondary point of my "cheating" and my "punishment"... I accept it and Neil, I am sorry for my posts that blamed the punishment for my defeat.
I'll post my game story later where I'll point out that I deviated from my main game plan. The starting minerals didn't help either..
This is all SECONDARY.
Let us stick to the main point.. Is posting my intel publicly a valid tactic or not.
I ask again.. if it's done behind ppl's back, it's ok.. but if it's done openly, it's bad?
(ref : FA7, 4 player coordination or any game where ppl exchange information...)
Just because I exchanged information in a new method, it doesn't take away the basic point .. it's been done earlier.
I've just done it in at a higher level.
Dishonorable action..? repeating words again and again is getting annoying slim.
Dishonourable??.. Fine you* don't do it. I don't agree that it has anything to with HONOR, more with sportsmanship or fuzzy logic.
I've accepted the public feedback that it was something new and perhaps crossing a line, but that doesn't mean what I did was wrong.
hacks? Do you know the defination of hacks? It's messing with the game engine.
Please don't use words freely, as it just tends to aggravate the situation.
Sarcasm about possible situations and wormholes?
Please don't act self-righteous. You are worried that ppl will gang up on you or stop playing.
if they stop playing it's their misunderstanding of the situation that you are undefeatable. It's tough but doable.
You continue talking about the game while trying to show you are talking about a broader area of concern... sharing of files.
Talk about one.
Allying with centurian
Attack on my HW.
All topics about the game. Not answering them here as it dilutes the core topic.
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This last paragraph you wrote is ignorant to the point it hurts to read. Is that how you seriously justify your actions. I posted earlier all I wanted from you was an apology and for you to say you'll never do it again now you say you will refrain from posting your archive folder in public next time. Because it was wrong am right? Should have just said that you wouldn't do it again in you first post to save us lots of time.
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SCREW IT. Do what you want. Think what you want.
I owe no apology to you for exchanging info or pitchforking you.
Exchanging information is my right and I'll do it.
I was wrong in my action where I mine-fleet dodged and I was justly punished for it.
I have said so earlier and I repeat it here so ppl understand, I am not blaming the host for my defeat.
Perhaps in my multi posts, I blame the punishment for my defeat.. that's a human reaction, but let me state again, I died due to my non-mobilization, distracted game play, low minerals, and messing up my mine-sweeps.
@ eagle - "The idea behind the honor code is: don't do something you would not want to be done to yourself."
I agree and I accept. I said so in the very 1st posts.
However that means that I'm a bad apple, spreading my .... (don't remember the exact words used by ma.stars).
damned if I do, damned if I dont.
At this time, I feel I should just stop reading and posting on the forums.. but that's not me either.
@ forceuser, thanks for your thoughts. I understand your viewpoint and I agree that their are 2 different points to this thread.
The "what LEAD to the elimination" and the "action of posting my files".
A> I hope I've been clear in this post that I don't blame the host for the punishment.
I was justly punished. My earlier posts had a human element of blaming things not under one's direct control.
B> "Action of posting my files". That debate is still on.
@ma.
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| Re: @ Slim, ma.stars, Eagle, Forceuser. |
Fri, 24 June 2011 18:39 |
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In fixed team games, file shared is almost done by default. Even way back when I started playing and was in team games we shared files, looked coordinated races and used all manner of applications to consolidate all the info of allies to see the whole picture as it were.
I think in single player victory games, shared of files like this is very rare. In a game where the end is everyone dead and last one standing, sharing delicate info like that is kind of like shooting yourself in the foot.
In a game where you are effectively dead, sharing info that can potentially harm the guy that killed you is perhaps done, but complete file and info exchange like this is not something I have heard of ever. I have not been that active so it might have escaped my notice.
I like the idea that one description of Honor is to not do something that you don't want done to you. Although personally I think that's an excellent way to live your life 
A lot of people on these forums like to think that their forum persona is a mirror of their real life persona. Some do not. I and many others do not judge and people are free to be as dishonorable as they want I am not saying you are, but the perceptions of many here is not something you can change except by not doing it again (or what they think is dishonorable) or apologizing. Again, you are free not to do that and play the game as you feel you want to.
I understand that you feel you didn't do anything wrong and that is pretty much that. No one here is going to change your mind . Some people think otherwise and that is also that. I think that this thread has shown just that.
It is my opinion that the forum persona is influence by how you play and how you play is influenced by how people perceive your forum persona. They are linked and for me and others this influences how we play with that person. In the end this is your choice and no one can make you do something you don't want
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| Re: @ Slim, ma.stars, Eagle, Forceuser. |
Fri, 24 June 2011 19:04 |
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| m.a@stars |
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| nmid wrote on Fri, 24 June 2011 23:20 |
Slim... I really wanted to take the high road and not respond to your post, but your points are just so infuriating ...
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It dawns on me that perhaps you get upset a bit too easily. Also, that you have a penchant for upsetting others. Both are dangerous. But can be cured with a bit of effort. I speak from 1st hand experience. Try. It's worth the effort.
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Sensational? Hell, I could do with some less attention.
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Heh. At this rate you'll become a celebrity. You're doing and saying things not often (if ever) seen. And the best thing is, not all is bad. Relax. Not everybody out there is out to get you. But you'll be watched. Get used to it.
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| Re: The Negitive effects of someone posting their game files early? |
Sat, 25 June 2011 11:42 |
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| Void |
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| Eagle of Fire wrote on Sat, 25 June 2011 08:23 |
Except that there is a strict 2 allies limit in this game, and 4 players exchanging information together in the goal of helping each other... I call that a 4 players alliance.
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Hi Eagle of Fire - I wasn't thrilled with the 4-player alliance, either. That said, it wasn't explicitly outlawed in the rules. In fact, it was implicitly sanctioned.
In the host's 'rules & addon & clarification' post of March 1 2011, he summarizes the rules. Specifically, in rule (3) he states:
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3) "Only one other player may be set to friend and traded tech with at any one time, all others must be set to enemy. You can change an ally after the alliance lasted for 10 years or more."
Victory conditions and rule 3) allow for a loophole which, as a matter of fact, was and is intended. The rules allow to set up informal NAPs (non-aggresive-pacts) and even coordinated actions but and this is a big BUT:
a) You may still only trade tech with your ally and with none else. If I detect anybody trying to trade tech with a set enemy, this will lead to immediate disqualification. No discussion. This includes everything, including fights which are only set up as fights or conquests but in truth are meant to pass on tech.
b) Everybody except your ally needs to be set to enemy. This makes coordinated or joint battles very tricky, might even backlash esspecially with c)
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So I don't think it's necessarily the case that nobody cares, and perhaps more the case that it's actually within the rules.
As much as I'm not a fan of the four-player alliance, they are following the rules in that only one person is set to friend. This is an assumption, but (1) I've seen no evidence to the contrary and (2) I have to think the host is checking on this now and again.
I contend our (the other five players) best response to the 4-player alliance would have been to cease our individual combats and gang up on the gang of four. We didn't, and I'm as guilty as the next guy for not suggesting it. I also never received such a suggestion from anyone else, either, so before we put the gang of four under the microscope, perhaps we ought to look in the mirror, first.
That's just one perspective, of course; I respect yours also. Lessons learned for all, I would think.
Cheers,
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| Re: The Negitive effects of someone posting their game files early? |
Sat, 25 June 2011 15:58 |
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| Eagle of Fire | 
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Quoting only part of the rules doesn't really give a good point of view though.
Every other players whom I have discussed this over MSN or emails also said that they were expecting a 2 allies max game. That was because the difference between "allies" and "players set to friends" in the custom rules before the game were not well explained before we started playing.
Heck, before the host specifically clarified the rules, as you just mentioned, I was thinking about asking for ships exchanges with the SS player. Both to get my hands on tech I could not otherwise and to strengthen our relationship.
If I didn't had asked the host for clarifications about another matter altogether, I might have done it without even knowing it was against the rules. Even now, I think trading special parts or ships from one player to another should be allowed if they are not higher tech than what you already possess...
Anyways... we could talk a long while about this, but in the end we still continued playing for several months now and it is not really on topic with the subject of this thread either I think.
Edit: typos...
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| Re: The Negitive effects of someone posting their game files early? |
Sat, 25 June 2011 16:12 |
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| Void |
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| Eagle of Fire wrote on Sat, 25 June 2011 12:58 |
Anyways... we could talk a long while about this, but in the end we still continued playing for several months now and it is not really on topic with the subject of this thread either I think.
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Fair points, all. I would like to continue this conversation in a forward-looking fashion. That is, what should the rules have looked like to support many players' expectations. As you suggest, I'll do that in more appropriate thread.
Cheers,
Void
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