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Lots of information around already.. but where can I get the break up of the levels? *edit - updated question location*

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http://starsautohost.org/sahforum/index.php?t=help_index& ;amp ;section=boardusage
The ranks are:
Commander 1000+ points
Lt. Commander 750
Lieutenant 500
Lt. Junior Grade 380
Ensign 310
Cadet (4 lvls) 205-309
-
Warrant Officer (4 lvls) 115-204
Petty Officer (6 lvls) 40-114
Crewman (3 lvls) 4-39
-
Civilian 0-3
Rank is no longer based on number of posts. It is based on the following:
1. Staying on the subject of the topic or message replied to.
2. Helpfulness in tutoring, answering questions, strategies, etc.
3. Quality of data in post.
Points are assigned by me [/i](Ron)[i] and range from 0 to 5 per post.
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http://starsautohost.org/sahforum/index.php?t=msg&th=6
Commander
Lt. Commander
Lieutenant
Lt. Junior Grade
Ensign
Cadet (4 levels)
>Petty Officer (3 levels)
Specialist (3 levels)
Crewman (3 levels)

Didn't realise the forums have a quality ranking system till I actually started reading up on it.
Is it still done like that (It's a 2002 post) and doesn't that take a lot of time for Ron to assigns points for each new post? This question was asked in
http://starsautohost.org/sahforum/index.php?t=msg&th=6#m sg_num_6
but I didn't find it's answer.

If yes, I'm honored that my rank was upgraded Smile
I am looking forward to being a Cadet (rank 10).

The ranking's confusing to someone who has no idea though.
I don't know if I'm rank 7, 8 or 9.
Found two posts in the plethora of related threads here, that link to external sites... but they are dead links.

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Starfleet_ranks seems relevant, but I can't find figure out where a warrant officer stands.
What 3 ranks are there for petty officer?
I guess it's petty officer (7), chief petty officer(8)and then warrant officer(9)?
But then I saw a officer cadet 2nd year.. and a chief warrant officer 3 (so that has levels too??)

Any place where I can find the exact merging of the 2 ranking systems done by Ron, for SAH?

Quote:

All Cadets, Naval or Marine attend Starfleet Academy and undertake a 4 year training course. On completion the successful Cadets are promoted to Officers and begin, what will hopefully be a glittering carrier."
Crewman and up through Chief Warrent Officer III are basically not officers. I wanted to let users work on up through the ranks to become officers.

Quote:

6. All posts in the game Private Forums receive zero points because they will eventually be deleted.

I've seen some pretty priceless threads in some of the private game forums. Altruist's posts in the FA forums, for eg.

Other related threads to the forum ranking.
http://starsautohost.org/sahforum/index.php?t=msg&th=19# msg_num_23
http://starsautohost.org/sahforum/index.php?t=msg&th=237 7&rid=1464#msg_num_9
Edit - Updated question location.
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[Updated on: Sun, 13 March 2011 15:37]




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Re: Stars! Forum Rank.. and where can I read more Tue, 15 March 2011 12:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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nmid wrote on Sun, 13 March 2011 14:54


Didn't realise the forums have a quality ranking system till I actually started reading up on it.
Is it still done like that (It's a 2002 post) and doesn't that take a lot of time for Ron to assigns points for each new post? This question was asked in
http://starsautohost.org/sahforum/index.php?t=msg&th=6#m sg_num_6
but I didn't find it's answer.

If yes, I'm honored that my rank was upgraded Smile
I am looking forward to being a Cadet (rank 10).


Yes, still done that way, only by me, and yes, it takes a lot of time. Which is why, unfortunately, there are hundreds of posts that I have not assigned rank points to yet. Every now and then I'll take an hour and assign rank points to old posts.

nmid wrote on Sun, 13 March 2011 14:54


The ranking's confusing to someone who has no idea though.
I don't know if I'm rank 7, 8 or 9.


Senior Chief Petty Officer is, I believe, rank 9. Civilian is rank 1. You have 5 more ranks to go through before reaching Cadet rank.

Try http://wiki.starbase118.net/wiki/index.php?title=Starflee t_Rank_Index:_Enlisted this url for help with rank info.


[Updated on: Tue, 15 March 2011 12:36]




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I've updated the ranks a bit, removed Civilian and replaced it with Crewman Recruit, then adjusted the other Crewman rank titles.


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Re: Stars! Forum Rank.. and where can I read more Tue, 15 March 2011 13:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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wOOt 1 A senior chief petty officer could be viewed as the enlisted equivalent of a commander.

On topic, for easy reference..

No matter how high in rank an enlisted noncommissioned officer rises, a fully commissioned officer always outranks him. A mere Ensign outranks a Master Chief Petty Officer, even though the master chief may be a twenty-year veteran of Starfleet.

15. Ensign. (After 4 years of cadet training)
Commissioned officers attend four years at Starfleet Academy
(15) Cadet - would be 4 years in training, so shouldn't be counted, right?

14.Chief Warrant Officer (4Grade)
13.Chief Warrant Officer (3Grade)
12.Chief Warrant Officer (2Grade)
11.Warrant Officer

10.Master Chief Petty Officer
9. Senior Chief Petty Officer
8. Chief Petty Officer

7. Petty Officer (3C)
6. Petty Officer (2C)
5. Petty Officer (1C)

4. Crewman 1st Class
3. Crewman 2nd Class
2. Crewman 3rd Class
1. Recruit

I'll add the command structure, when I read more articles over the weekend (or if Ron gives me a nice link for that too Smile ).



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nmid wrote on Tue, 15 March 2011 13:55


I'll add the command structure, when I read more articles over the weekend (or if Ron gives me a nice link for that too Smile ).

You can get to all of them from here http://wiki.starbase118.net/wiki/index.php?title=Starfleet_R ank_Index



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Re: Stars! Forum Rank.. and where can I read more Tue, 15 March 2011 15:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks Ron.

Flag Officer
28 Admiral
27 Vice Admiral
26 Rear Admiral
25 Commodore

Officer Ranks
24 Captain
23 Commander
22 Lieutenant Commander
21 Lieutenant
20 Lieutenant Junior Grade
19 Ensign
18 Cadet (4th Class)
17 Cadet (3rd Class)
16 Cadet (2nd Class)
15 Cadet (1st Class)

Enlisted
14 Chief Warrant Officer (4th Grade)
13 Chief Warrant Officer (3rd Grade)
12 Chief Warrant Officer (2nd Grade)
11. Warrant Officer
10. Master Chief Petty Officer
9 Senior Chief Petty Officer
8 Chief Petty Officer
7 Petty Officer (3rd Class)
6 Petty Officer (2nd Class)
5 Petty Officer (1st Class)
4 Crewman (3rd Class)
3 Crewman (2nd Class)
2 Crewman (1st Class)
1 Recruit

Diplomatic Cache
'Ambassador'
'Mare Crisium'


Edit - Changes made as per Ron's last.

[Updated on: Wed, 16 March 2011 13:29]


[Updated on: Tue, 22 March 2011 11:00]

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Re: Stars! Forum Rank.. and where can I read more Tue, 15 March 2011 17:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ron, just wondering why don't you use cadets' signs listed here?
They seems to be the same style as ones used for others ranks.



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nmid wrote on Tue, 15 March 2011 15:36

Thanks Ron.

Flag Officer
30 Fleet Admiral
29 Admiral
28 Vice Admiral
27 Rear Admiral
26 Commodore
25 Fleet Captain

Officer Ranks
24 Captain
23 Commander
22 Lieutenant Commander
21 Lieutenant
20 Lieutenant Junior Grade
19 Ensign
18 Cadet (4th Class)
17 Cadet (3rd Class)
16 Cadet (2nd Class)
15 Cadet (1st Class)

Enlisted
14 Chief Warrant Officer (4th Grade)
13 Chief Warrant Officer (3rd Grade)
12 Chief Warrant Officer (2nd Grade)
11 Warrant Officer
10. Master Chief Petty Officer
9 Senior Chief Petty Officer
8 Chief Petty Officer
7 Petty Officer (3rd Class)
6 Petty Officer (2nd Class)
5 Petty Officer (1st Class)
4 Crewman (3rd Class)
3 Crewman (2nd Class)
2 Crewman (1st Class)
1 Recruit


I don't use Fleet Captain or Fleet Admiral.

In addition, I have added 2 special ranks, 'Ambassador' and 'Mare Crisium' as seen at http://starsautohost.org/sahforum/index.php?t=usrinfo&id =95&rid=1&S=cc3504bf59d3e877854480bf5f6135d2 and http://starsautohost.org/sahforum/index.php?t=usrinfo&id =193&rid=1&S=cc3504bf59d3e877854480bf5f6135d2

As I think I've mentioned elsewhere, the ranks of Captain and above are reserved for Stars! AutoHost staff, and VIPs in the Stars! community.



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I was wondering about current fleet structure from rankings standpoint. Unfortunately this list doesn't contain rank column, so, by using a simple http requester, I got a list of all SAH users sorted by rank - resulted ranks.htm can be downloaded here if someone is interested. Sorry, but this is a temporary url (don't know how to share this file in a better way).

In short currently there are:

1123 Crewmans (4 levels)
57 Petty Officers (6 levels)
25 Warrant Officers (4 levels)
17 - Cadets (4 levels)
1 - Ensign
7 - Lt. Junior Grade
5 - Lieutenant
4 - Lt. Commander
8 - Commander
1 - Commodore
1 - Vice Admiral
1 - Admiral
3 - Ambassadors
3 - Mare Crisium Staff

Edit: Thanks to gible, awful link was replaced by dropboxed one. Smile


[Updated on: Sat, 26 March 2011 07:06]




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XyliGUN wrote on Sat, 26 March 2011 15:28

Sorry, but this is a temporary url (don't know how to share this file in a better way).


ooo purdy Smile


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BlueTurbit wrote on Sat, 26 March 2011 20:48

One rank is missing: Retired
For those who haven't posted in years. Cool


That would be a nice addition to have !! A one year gap would retire you.
But it should revert back to the last rating, once a post is made.

Could Ron, pretty please, make such a rank, if the coding isn't too messy to implement?

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nmid wrote on Sun, 27 March 2011 05:27

BlueTurbit wrote on Sat, 26 March 2011 20:48

One rank is missing: Retired
For those who haven't posted in years. Cool


That would be a nice addition to have !! A one year gap would retire you.
But it should revert back to the last rating, once a post is made.

Could Ron, pretty please, make such a rank, if the coding isn't too messy to implement?

Nmid.



If you're adding retire, I'd seriously consider adding Deceased.

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BlueTurbit wrote on Sat, 26 March 2011 20:48

One rank is missing: Retired
For those who haven't posted in years. Cool


nmid wrote on Sat, 26 March 2011 19:27

That would be a nice addition to have !! A one year gap would retire you.

As you wish. Zipped report which treat one year gap as retirement can be downloaded here. Smile



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really nice !!
and I see you are using dropbox quite effectively !

(goes to see how to create those links myself).

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XyliGUN wrote on Sun, 27 March 2011 21:11

report which treat one year gap as retirement


Could you explain that again please?
One year of logging in last? or One year of no posting?

I noticed that you haven't retired a number of people, who couldn't have posted in the past 1 year.

Andre (Co-creator.. never posted)
Mare Crisium Staff.. have they posted?



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Well, you are right, there are several ppls who have never posts and also several who have posted in the area of the forum, which I cannot access, so in the players' profile (for example here) you will see "You do not have appropriate permissions needed to see this topic." instead of last post date. In these cases I didn't treat accounts as retired.

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"Missing in Action" !! or
"Classified"
Razz


for the next month you do it.. Does the querying take up a lot of bandwidth?


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nmid wrote

"Missing in Action" !! or
"Classified"
Razz

Seems like classified would fit the best here.

nmid wrote

for the next month you do it.. Does the querying take up a lot of bandwidth?

Tecnically it just requests pages like this one for each of the SAH accounts. So far there are about 1500 accounts, so it does 1500 requests, than it parse received html page and gets account name, rank, sign url, last post date. As of bandwidth - according to NetLimiter - httptest.exe requests 2MB of data.



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Except that classified is what everyone would become, whose last post is in "Private Forums for games."

I suppose Ron would have to temporarily turn off the log-in requirement on the that forum for you to get complete data on all users last posts that are there.

On the other hand, some last posts show up for me without logging in, but they are not "retired" on the list that I saw.

Kotk, Fri, 13 July 2007, The Academy AI passwords
(yep, AI passwords Cool "viewai" )
Robert, Fri, 12 October 2007, The Academy Sapping Cruisers
Multilis, Sun, 22 October 2006, The Bar Too busy for stars game...


edit: corrections made


[Updated on: Mon, 28 March 2011 05:55]




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OK, the problem was with those who have an avatar or who registered, but never posted. So, now it's fixed (except those whos' last post is classified).



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Ooooh! Data mining, how cool!

Very nice, and I thank you, since I didn't want to go through all of them myself just to remove all the 'SAH Game Host' tags. (I stopped using those years ago as they were too much work to add then take away after game was done.)



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With all that data mining I just noticed that BlueTurbit have userid = 3, at the same time Rons' userid = 1, and there is no user with id = 2, so it looks like BlueTurbit is the very first user of the forum, except Ron. Smile

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XyliGUN wrote on Thu, 07 April 2011 17:17

With all that data mining I just noticed that BlueTurbit have userid = 3, at the same time Rons' userid = 1, and there is no user with id = 2, so it looks like BlueTurbit is the very first user of the forum, except Ron. Smile

Yep. Somehow Ron beat me to it. Very Happy
But that's on this forum. On the previous forum I was much further down the list.



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