m.a@stars wrote on Mon, 14 March 2011 05:02

Returning your brain to the maker claiming it's hopelessly faulty should only be a last resource.

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neilhoward wrote on Wed, 16 March 2011 00:24

I agree that this is not a bug, but perhaps including it in a new list of "features" would be helpful for newer players.

I agree. I don't even remember where I read about it 1st.
I'm sure I read it deep withing some thread, but I'll be darned if I can find it again.
(It's not in the strategy guide or in other starter threads, that I just rechecked).
Problem is identifying what "features" would go on that new list.

neilhoward wrote on Wed, 16 March 2011 00:24

...... american grid iron is really football....

Is football even a sport?!?
YAY CRICKET!!!

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neilhoward wrote on Wed, 16 March 2011 01:55

What are some other "features" that might be helpful? How about a list of features, tactics, and manoeuvres?

These should go in the "must know" Forum, originally created to harbor FAQs, player guides, strategy guides, tactics guides and the like.

Back in the day, though, most of these things could be easily found in places such as starsfaq or r.g.c.s

Many of the original articles have found their way into the Wiki, but perhaps it will be worth it to round up the rest too.

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m.a@stars wrote on Wed, 16 March 2011 16:14

Back in the day, though, most of these things could be easily found in places such as starsfaq or r.g.c.s Many of the original articles have found their way into the Wiki, but perhaps it will be worth it to round up the rest too.

Just as an aside, everything from Stars! FAQ should be in the wiki, generally either in the article library or off the Stars! FAQ, if its not, then we missed something.

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Quote:

ok... instead of calling it a bug/unexpected event or tactics and having more disagreements whether it should be included or not, why not define what "features" mean.. Events that go against the normal expectation, that new players will have.

This is ridiculous. A feature is something working as intended by the creators. Why would newcomers have anything to say about this? If it was indeed the definition then we would have an infinite amount of answer back in regard to how new players perceive the game!

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Eagle of Fire wrote on Wed, 16 March 2011 22:39

Quote: ok... instead of calling it a bug/unexpected event or tactics and having more disagreements whether it should be included or not, why not define what "features" mean.. Events that go against the normal expectation, that new players will have. This is ridiculous. A feature is something working as intended by the creators. Why would newcomers have anything to say about this? If it was indeed the definition then we would have an infinite amount of answer back in regard to how new players perceive the game!

Eagle, I hope that you realise that sounds condescending.

A feature working as intended by the creators, is great.
What we (yes, me too now) are requesting is having a "unexpected feature" list, that goes against common sense that a regular new player would have.

It's easy talking about the warp/distance 'feature' as an eg, so let me clarify using that.

I can imagine that you realised (the 1st time you played) that distance traveled = Warp^2.
Do not tell me that you KNEW from the start, that you can travel warp^2+.99 LY.

The objective of this list, is to unlock value for beginner players, in an easy-to-access list...
To stop it from getting un-wieldy, I suggested that it should only be game features, not tactics.

Lord Nmid.
(Still awaiting reply to a NAP discussion going on for 20+ years )

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Eagle of Fire wrote on Wed, 16 March 2011 18:09

This is ridiculous. A feature is something working as intended by the creators.

He said "features". Notice the "evil" quotes.

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nmid wrote on Wed, 16 March 2011 10:20

Eagle, I hope that you realise that sounds condescending.

Of course he does. That is standard operation here

Eagle of Fire wrote on Wed, 16 March 2011 10:09

This is ridiculous.

Yes, your opinion is ridiculous. I kid.

Eagle of Fire wrote on Wed, 16 March 2011 10:09

A feature is something working as intended by the creators.

Just so. However some users may not have intuited the intent or operation of some features, and might not have noted its documentation or commentary. That is why it could be helpful to reiterate it again here. Though perhaps this thread should be moved to the "must know" section.

This is an example of how we can miss somebody's point and go on to restate an argument for that which we are arguing against.

Lets try to avoid insulting folks that are trying to make a positive contribution.

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Hi!

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... the Scanner snaps to a "grid".

Not only scanner, also the ships. And that can make problems, since the "snapping" doesn't always go up. When the distance between two coordinates is 200.44 LY and you send a ship, in the next turn it can end 101.02 LY from target , because in the first move it didn't travel 100 LY, but 99.42.

Just because of that I started regularly checking travel mid-points, when the whole distance is near max-travel multiples. Helps avoidning frustration.

BR, Iztok

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Eagle of Fire wrote on Sun, 20 March 2011 02:35

Are you just bent on contradicting me for no reason? What I just said is like -F 101...

my 2 most devious foes, on the forum,
POPCORN !!!

Btw, on a serious note, for non -f races, spreading the 42% as 25% + balance on another world, might be better.. but for a -f, 42% is a milestone to be achieved.

ps - Eagle.. I still await reply from your ally

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magic9mushroom wrote on Sat, 19 March 2011 04:45

Eagle of Fire wrote on Sat, 19 March 2011 17:03 42% (I thought it was 44%?) is a must for -F since -F resources are directly linked to their world cap. No. 42% is not special.

42 is very special. It is the answer to life, the universe, everything... the Answer to life and the proof...
the ultimate Answer to life

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Pop growth and percent pop growth are very different.



A standard 20% MPGR race without OBRM on a 100% planet gets 50k new pop at 42% capacity.

The same race gets 50k pop growth on that planet with 25% capacity, and the difference of 170k population on a second planet will grow up to an extra 34k colonists per year.

Since -f rely entirely on population for resources, this is a much bigger matter for them. That is almost a 31% difference in annual resource growth for the initial 420,000 population.

Eagle of Fire wrote on Sat, 19 March 2011 19:22

Why are we arguing about this again?

Because you insisted.

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