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As promised, I am now ready to host The Wheel of Life V, where I will be non-playing host.

Some of you may remember the games The Wheel of Life I, II and III some years ago (the last of them ended in August 2003). I had really only intended to start one game at that time, but I received rather more than the necessary number of players, so I decided to set up two more games with the same setup and rules then, and that is also why I am setting up one or more Wheel of Life games now.

In short, it is a game for 4 teams of two in a remapped universe, and one of the few games that allows TT CA races without any race restrictions - Except that there can only be one CA on each team.

The full rules can be found here: http://craebild.dk/wolv.html.

Players can either apply as single players or as teams. If you apply as a single player you will be teamed up with another single player, but teams are preferred, so once there are 8 teams, then any single players are out, even if they applied before the last team - But if two single players have applied then they count as a team, of course. When teaming up single players I will attempt to minimize the timezone difference in order to allow easy communication, so it is important that I now which timezone each single player belongs to.

I will offer advice on race design and on the initial orders for 2400.

Please note that this is not a game suitable for beginners.

The game will probably start in May or June, as the teams will have to agree on races and strategy. There will of course be breaks for holidays, this is not game that will be over in a few months.

If there are enough interested players, then I will also set up The Wheel of Life VI with the same setup and rules, and even The Wheel of Life VII, though I doubt there will be enough players for that.



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Re: The Wheel of Life V Tue, 15 March 2011 22:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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craebild wrote on Sat, 12 March 2011 01:08

The full rules can be found here: http://craebild.dk/wolv.html.

Seems to me the forced generation will give significant advantages to cetain HE races and greatly hamper AR races. Is that intended? Perhaps the forced gen can be tweaked? Sherlock



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Re: The Wheel of Life V Wed, 16 March 2011 04:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Beekeeper and me would like to sign up for this.
However, our team won't be able to join if it starts prior to mid-May.



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Re: The Wheel of Life V Wed, 16 March 2011 06:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What bug was introduced in jRC3 to handicap PP?

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Re: The Wheel of Life V Wed, 16 March 2011 06:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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gible wrote on Wed, 16 March 2011 15:45

What bug was introduced in jRC3 to handicap PP?


@craebild *muhahahaha*




Edit - Should explain that laugh.. It was just something that I asked a few days ago and craebild told me the same thing. Just found it a bit funny.Sorry, if it came out rude.. :s


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Re: The Wheel of Life V Wed, 16 March 2011 13:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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@m.a: Balancing the PRTs was never the intention of the WoL games. I am aware that AR are regrettably greatly hampered by the setup, but as far as I remember testbeds showed HE to be hampered by this setup rather than given a significant advantage. Since I haven't seen any HE in any of the WoL games so far, I guess others at least haven't found the type of HE that has a significant advantage from the game setup. I don't know all PRTs in WoLIV yet, though.

@nmid and beekeeper: I have noted your interest, we will see what happens.

@gible: I never wrote that the bug was introduced in JRC3, just that it was present in JRC3. I don't remember the specifics, but they are missing one of their supposed advantages - Stars! Calculator has a checkbox for Bugged PP in the packet calculations, so it must have something to do with packets.



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Re: The Wheel of Life V Wed, 16 March 2011 17:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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craebild wrote

I don't remember the specifics, but they are missing one of their supposed advantages - Stars! Calculator has a checkbox for Bugged PP in the packet calculations, so it must have something to do with packets.

I guess craebild is talking about PP ability to make damage by packets. Here is what StarsCalc says in its' help file: "Bugged PP" stands for the old bug in PP races that made their packets do only 1/3rd damage (this bug was fixed in the f-patch)".



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XyliGUN wrote on Wed, 16 March 2011 22:34

I guess craebild is talking about PP ability to make damage by packets. Here is what StarsCalc says in its' help file: "Bugged PP" stands for the old bug in PP races that made their packets do only 1/3rd damage (this bug was fixed in the f-patch)".


That would account for the checkbox in Stars! Calculator, but I seem to remember that there is some bug which is present in JRC3/JRC4 used by Autohost - And PP races do seem to be rarely used, if ever.

I could be mistaken, though.



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I might be interested in this game, but 1st I'll need to check with my AR-minded partner whether he'd rather run a TT CA instead. Rolling Eyes


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m.a@stars wrote on Thu, 17 March 2011 00:11

I might be interested in this game, but 1st I'll need to check with my AR-minded partner whether he'd rather run a TT CA instead. Rolling Eyes

You're welcome, and your partner doesn't have to play a TT CA. There have been teams in WoL games that didn't have a TT CA on the team.



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Having just finished Sixpack3 with my first win ever, although I took over another player's (ccmaster) position, I would be interested in joining this game. I am a single and living in central USA. Does that make me GMT+5 or GMT-5?

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leknufrag wrote on Fri, 18 March 2011 21:21

Having just finished Sixpack3 with my first win ever, although I took over another player's (ccmaster) position, I would be interested in joining this game. I am a single and living in central USA. Does that make me GMT+5 or GMT-5?

You are welcome to join. You can either find a teammate yourself or we can see if another player without a teammate joins.

Central USA such as Texas is GMT-5, GMT+5 would for example be Russia east of the Ural mountains or Pakistan.



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craebild wrote

Please note that this is not a game suitable for beginners.

Just noticed this note, and wondering why? Like in any team game important thing is to have good plan for the game and appropriate race designs, but if at least one of teammates have a bit expirience and another one is willing to learn...



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XyliGUN wrote on Tue, 22 March 2011 18:16

craebild wrote

Please note that this is not a game suitable for beginners.

Just noticed this note, and wondering why? Like in any team game important thing is to have good plan for the game and appropriate race designs, but if at least one of teammates have a bit expirience and another one is willing to learn...


Yes, an experienced player together with someone willing to learn could also join, but the 50 year forced gen plus the fact that it is a team game makes the race design and the game dynamics somewhat different from a standard game.



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Ok, I did some searching around and can't find what I'm looking for. What is

"there will be a forced generation of 50 years"

I can't find what happens during this 50 years time span.

Is it

A. the computer AI takes over and does stuff.
B. Nothing, Pop grows, mines mine, like pushing the F9 button 50 times

I would like to play, I don't have a partner.

Ed

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LittleEddie wrote on Wed, 23 March 2011 07:07

Ok, I did some searching around and can't find what I'm looking for. What is

"there will be a forced generation of 50 years"

I can't find what happens during this 50 years time span.

Is it

A. the computer AI takes over and does stuff.
B. Nothing, Pop grows, mines mine, like pushing the F9 button 50 times

I would like to play, I don't have a partner.

Ed


Option B.
You set your orders at 2400 with your starting ships and planet(s).. and then you get to open your game in 2450.

Team games give you a great chance of learning, if you get lucky with your team members Wink I learnt a lot from Lord_of_Chaos (and also Gible).



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LittleEddie wrote on Wed, 23 March 2011 02:37

Ok, I did some searching around and can't find what I'm looking for. What is

"there will be a forced generation of 50 years"

I can't find what happens during this 50 years time span.

Is it

A. the computer AI takes over and does stuff.
B. Nothing, Pop grows, mines mine, like pushing the F9 button 50 times

I would like to play, I don't have a partner.

Ed

As nmid said, it is option B, you set your orders in 2400 and get to open your turn in 2450. The game rules gives certain restrictions on what orders you can give in 2400.

You are welcome to join. I assume you are a beginner, we can hopefully find a more experienced player you can team up with.



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If I count correctly you have 6 players so far and need just two more to start...
PS: I'm observer in Wheel of Life IV, and from what I've seen so far I can said this type of games looks interesting from the beginning, mostly because you simply skip this relatively boring initial scouting/research era (2400-2450, which usually takes about 10 weeks, i.e. 2+ months) and enters directly into action era...



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Re: The Wheel of Life V Sun, 03 April 2011 17:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I won't be able to join if this starts anytime before May 20th.

I could withdraw my name if there are enough to start without me.
No problems.

Apologies, but I did make that clear at the start itself.

Nmid.



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XyliGUN: 4 or 6 players so far, I am not certain whether m.a has convinced his partner to play in this game. It seems his partner usually plays AR, which is a bad idea in this type of game.

nmid: We still need to find at least 2 players more, and then there has to be time to coordinate race designs and strategy. I don't think waiting until May 20th will be any problem, I doubt the game would be starting before then even if you did have time to start before that.



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craebild wrote on Sun, 03 April 2011 23:49

I am not certain whether m.a has convinced his partner to play in this game.

Alas, the partner is too busy for Stars! right now. Sad

I'm also not too keen about missing the "boring" initial scouting and research years (which could be done in just 10 days with turn-a-day gens if everybody was willing to craft two turns or more per day) Deal



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XyliGUN wrote on Sun, 03 April 2011 23:33

this type of games looks interesting from the beginning, mostly because you simply skip this relatively boring initial scouting/research era

If that's the main goal, then I can think of alternative setups, like allowing an initial 2 or 3 turns, followed by 25 force-genned turns. Or perhaps an initial turn, followed by 15 force-genned, then another turn, then 15 more force-genned. I like the "no combat" initial restriction, but for this galaxy size and amount of races, the "real fun" should start well before year 50. Twisted Evil



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ma.stars wrote

If that's the main goal...

ma.stars, I don't really know what was the main goal, and I've never played this type of game (and I'm really like to try in future), so that was just my imho. Smile


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Interest expressed.

Single player.

GMT +10

Happy to start May 20th or sooner. Not a big deal if I don't get a team mate and miss out on the fun.

50 year force gen makes for more interesting race choice possibilities.

Centaurian.

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Centaurian wrote on Tue, 05 April 2011 13:28

Interest expressed.

Single player.

GMT +10

Happy to start May 20th or sooner. Not a big deal if I don't get a team mate and miss out on the fun.

50 year force gen makes for more interesting race choice possibilities.

Centaurian.



I have noted your interest, which brings us to 5 players so far.

GMT+10, that's eastern Australia, right ?



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