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Re: New Beginner Game - Tenderfoot Sun, 13 February 2011 22:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 Ok, never played again a human,

Willing to give it a go.

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Re: New Beginner Game - Tenderfoot Sun, 13 February 2011 22:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 OK, never played against a Human before

Ready to give it a try

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Re: New Beginner Game - Tenderfoot Mon, 14 February 2011 21:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Good, we are starting to fill up. Player list so far:

flamencowizard - (maybe, might have to take handicap)
nasobema
Stakmandoo
CrazyBS
Azrael
Egooo
dracul104
magic9mushroom
LittleEddie

That is 9 players, so maybe a medium normal universe would be a good setup.

I saw some comments regarding banning AR. I will remove that, if you want to play AR go ahead. I strongly suggest that those who are playing their absolute first game, don't take AR.

I am also thinking that flamencowizard should have a handicap, since he is the most experienced having won 2 games. It is kind of subjective what amount to set, so I will take a guess. How about 70 points set to defenses?

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Also, clarification - mine damage dodge means the trick with using 1 chaff, correct?


Yes, this is correct.

Let's set a final deadline for players of Wednesday of this week and a final race deadline of Monday. It looks like we have enough players to start.

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Re: New Beginner Game - Tenderfoot Mon, 14 February 2011 22:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Is False Public Player Scores allowed, and if not, what specific actions count as FPPS? (as perfectly normal actions can falsify PPS, though obviously not as much as someone abusing it)

Also, presumably you're allowing ISB Trumps IT Gate Scanning, since you didn't ban ISB.

What about Exploding Minefield Dodge?

[Updated on: Mon, 14 February 2011 23:09]

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Re: New Beginner Game - Tenderfoot Tue, 15 February 2011 19:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 Hiya,

Just stumbled across this. I'm an old player from days gone by.

Never played against a human before only 1-player. Can I get in on this...

You may have to forgive me while I grasp all the acronyms.

::squeezes into the deadline maybe?::

--Rhino

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Re: New Beginner Game - Tenderfoot Tue, 15 February 2011 20:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Welcome fat_rhino, you are in.

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Re: New Beginner Game - Tenderfoot Tue, 15 February 2011 22:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 Phew! Sweet! Thanks ManicLurch.

Looking forward to it all (and probably getting my butt thoroughly whooped!)

Better brush up on my Stars!Skills.

Race files in by Monday Yeah?

Into the void we have to travel, to find the clue which will unravel - Hawkwind

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Re: New Beginner Game - Tenderfoot Wed, 16 February 2011 00:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What about my questions? Sad

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Re: New Beginner Game - Tenderfoot Wed, 16 February 2011 02:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What about my questions?


Sorry about that, I was in a hurry and didn't see them earlier.

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Is False Public Player Scores allowed?


No, this is definitely not allowed.

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what specific actions count as FPPS? (as perfectly normal actions can falsify PPS, though obviously not as much as someone abusing it)


I would think that if someone were doing this, it would be obvious from reviewing their turns. There is a difference from normal pop loading and unloading verses FPPS.

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Also, presumably you're allowing ISB Trumps IT Gate Scanning, since you didn't ban ISB.


Nothing can be done about this.

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What about Exploding Minefield Dodge


This is not allowed. While it might happen through the normal course of events if it appears that this is being abused the player will be punished.





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Re: New Beginner Game - Tenderfoot Wed, 16 February 2011 02:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ManicLurch wrote on Wed, 16 February 2011 18:29



No, this is definitely not allowed.

I would think that if someone were doing this, it would be obvious from reviewing their turns. There is a difference from normal pop loading and unloading verses FPPS.


So WP1 load is allowed? (WP1 load decreases reported resources compared to WP0-loading them the next turn, without decreasing actual output)

What about honestly changing your mind after a WP1 load (say, if the planet you were going to take them to got bombed out)?

I've no intention of abusing the exploit, but I want to know what orders you're counting as FPPS.

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This is not allowed. While it might happen through the normal course of events if it appears that this is being abused the player will be punished.


K.

I'm just trying to avoid a situation where I might accidentally break a rule.

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Re: New Beginner Game - Tenderfoot Wed, 16 February 2011 03:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 Come on, magic9mushroom.

We're all beginners here (at least everyone claimed to be one...). I would not expect ManicLurch to seriously punish anyone who breaks a rule accidentally. Plus, it shouldn't be too hard to distinguish "accidentally" from "on purpose" just by the context.

I wasn't even aware of some of the things you mentioned...

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Re: New Beginner Game - Tenderfoot Wed, 16 February 2011 03:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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nasobema wrote on Wed, 16 February 2011 19:02

Come on, magic9mushroom.

We're all beginners here (at least everyone claimed to be one...). I would not expect ManicLurch to seriously punish anyone who breaks a rule accidentally. Plus, it shouldn't be too hard to distinguish "accidentally" from "on purpose" just by the context.

I wasn't even aware of some of the things you mentioned...

Lol.

Yeah, I may be going overboard. I just don't want to get accused of cheating.

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Re: New Beginner Game - Tenderfoot Wed, 16 February 2011 03:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So WP1 load is allowed? (WP1 load decreases reported resources compared to WP0-loading them the next turn, without decreasing actual output)

What about honestly changing your mind after a WP1 load (say, if the planet you were going to take them to got bombed out)?


yes WP1 load is allowed. There are plenty of legitimate uses for this. For someone who was trying to do FPPS, you would see this repeatedly over many planets on repeated turns. It would likely be obvious if someone were using FPPS verses a some WP1 loads that would normally happen during the course of a game.

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I would not expect ManicLurch to seriously punish anyone who breaks a rule accidentally.


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Yeah, I may be going overboard. I just don't want to get accused of cheating.


If there were any cheating accusations (let's hope we don't go there, it is rare for that to happen on autohost games), the game files would be looked at and common sense would be used. If you aren't cheating, I wouldn't worry about it. Just play and have fun. Very Happy

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Re: New Beginner Game - Tenderfoot Wed, 16 February 2011 07:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ManicLurch wrote on Wed, 16 February 2011 19:24

Just play and have fun. Very Happy


Okay. Cool

Here's hoping I don't get my butt owned off. Very Happy

Where do I send my race file?

[Updated on: Wed, 16 February 2011 07:18]

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Re: New Beginner Game - Tenderfoot Wed, 16 February 2011 19:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Here's hoping I don't get my butt owned off.
Very Happy

Sometimes that is the best way to learn. You likely learn more from the games you loose than the games you win. You also learn more from playing against players better than you.

Send your race files to david#at#salempfg#dot#com


Today is last call for anyone else interested in playing. Let me know by the end of the day if you want to play. Smile

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Re: New Beginner Game - Tenderfoot Wed, 16 February 2011 20:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have a suggestion for all the players in this game, especially for those who are playing their first game. Play test your races. Create a tiny universe with the same density and see how your race plays out. See where your resources, tech & minerals are at various checkpoints, like 2420, 2450, etc. It is better to find out any issues your race has in the testbed than in the real game. Very Happy

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Re: New Beginner Game - Tenderfoot Wed, 16 February 2011 21:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 Exactly what I was thinking. Very Happy

Testing now... Twisted Evil

Heaps looking forward to this. I've been wanting to play a hosted game for years.

Into the void we have to travel, to find the clue which will unravel - Hawkwind

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Re: New Beginner Game - Tenderfoot Thu, 17 February 2011 01:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ManicLurch wrote on Thu, 17 February 2011 12:36

I have a suggestion for all the players in this game, especially for those who are playing their first game. Play test your races. Create a tiny universe with the same density and see how your race plays out. See where your resources, tech & minerals are at various checkpoints, like 2420, 2450, etc. It is better to find out any issues your race has in the testbed than in the real game. Very Happy

Well, we now have 10 players, so are we moving to medium dense or staying at normal?

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Re: New Beginner Game - Tenderfoot Thu, 17 February 2011 15:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 Hey David/ManicLurch

Do we need to PW protect our Race files?

Into the void we have to travel, to find the clue which will unravel - Hawkwind

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Re: New Beginner Game - Tenderfoot Thu, 17 February 2011 15:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 Yes Deal

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Re: New Beginner Game - Tenderfoot Thu, 17 February 2011 20:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, we now have 10 players, so are we moving to medium dense or staying at normal?


I think we should still stay normal. Medium normal is 288 stars, or 28.8 stars per player. Medium dense is 360 stars, or 36 stars per player. I think the 28 stars per players is more what a typical game looks like, so lets go with that.

Let's try to get our race files done by Monday.

Thanks,
David

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Re: New Beginner Game - Tenderfoot Fri, 18 February 2011 03:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ManicLurch wrote on Fri, 18 February 2011 12:51

I think we should still stay normal. Medium normal is 288 stars, or 28.8 stars per player. Medium dense is 360 stars, or 36 stars per player. I think the 28 stars per players is more what a typical game looks like, so lets go with that.

Let's try to get our race files done by Monday.

Thanks,
David


Okay. I'm currently testbedding mine, to check for issues.

Are there restrictions on alliance size?

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Re: New Beginner Game - Tenderfoot Fri, 18 February 2011 06:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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 One more question on deadlines:

By what time (at each match day) do you expect our updates (and also the racefile)? Please also give the timezone (GMT?) to prevent confusion.

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Re: New Beginner Game - Tenderfoot Fri, 18 February 2011 07:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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nasobema wrote on Fri, 18 February 2011 22:39

One more question on deadlines:

By what time (at each match day) do you expect our updates (and also the racefile)? Please also give the timezone (GMT?) to prevent confusion.


AutoHost tells you the deadline for the .x file when you go to get your .m file.

[Updated on: Fri, 18 February 2011 07:54]

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Re: New Beginner Game - Tenderfoot Fri, 18 February 2011 15:14 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Are there restrictions on alliance size?


I didn't mention this in the announcement. Though we probably don't want this to turn into a 5 verses 5 game, those games aren't as much fun and can get tedious. Unless someone objects, lets say only one ally at a time. Also, this is a one winner game, no team victories.

For those new to Stars! diplomacy, there are several old articles written about it here:

http://wiki.starsautohost.org/wiki/Article_Library

Just scroll down to the section on diplomacy.

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