Hi.

I`ve taken part in Glacier III. I`ve found idea of that game wery interesting, but I hete all-enemy games
I`d like to set up a new game Glacier IV with similar conditions but with normal diplomacy. I`ll just adjust old rules to new game.

Major changes to Glacier IV game:
- seting up other players F/N/E allowed
- NAPs allowed
- No tech trading! to be schoure that this rul is obeyed:
- No schip transfer between players
- No pop-drop (if you want to take controll over someone else planet you have to firstly kill all the people with bombes, packets... and then colonize it by your own colony schip).

We will need someone to create the uniwerse and non playing host.

Glacier IV Game rules
- Only 1 race per player.
- To prevents gen errors mod will play everyone's first turn, deleting all ships and ship designs (by deleting the design itself).
- All fuel transport hulls are banned (Meaning fuel transport for IS, and Super Fuel Transport for all races).
- The tech 0 fuel pod is banned (the con14 tank is legal), anti-mater generator is banned to (IT).
- All MT toys will be legal.
- If you have IFE PRT, the Fuel Mizer is BANNED.
- The best shields that can be used is the Energy 10 Shields. (AR's are the exception)
- No Missiles are allowed, torps are OK. (AR can use missiles on SB's).
- Cooperation is allowed but Single player victory only!
- No tech trading allowed!
- No schip transfer between players
- No pop-drop (if you want to take controll over someone else planet you have to firstly kill all the people with bombes, packets... and then colonize it by your own colony schip).
- Chaff, Splitfleet Dodge, and “Repair after Gating” are allowed!
- Everything else on the standard Cheats list is disallowed. List (Includes False Public Player scores)

Game settings are as follows:
• 12 - 16 players
• Small Universe, Packed, Then stretched to a Large (average 15 planet draw per player at start)
• Distant Player Positions
• Slower Tech Advances: Checked
• Accelerated BBS: Checked
• Galaxy Clumping: Not Checked

Race designs - general restrictions:
- Population growth must be set 8% or less.
- Weapons MUST be set to expensive.
- Construction MUST be set to expensive (AR can set Con to Cheap).
- Proplusion must be set expensive or normal.
- IFE can be selected, but the Fuel Miser is BANNED
- BET Must be selected
- NAS must not be selected (only AR can select NAS)

Special Race Restrictions:
HE - BANNED!
IT - Must check LSP. NRSE not checked. Hydro Ram-Scoop banned. must check Ultimate Recycling.
PP - Must check LSP.
JOAT - Must check LSP. Must not check OBRM.
CA - Must check LSP. TT must not be checked, must check Ultimate Recycling. Orbital Adjuster banned (you still can use Retro Bombs).
SD - No Detonating minefields until Y2470.
SS - Ultrastealth Cloak is BANNED
AR - Can take Cheap Con and Propl
- Can take NAS
- Can use any shield on SB’s and Ships
- Can use missles on SB’s

Turn Generation:
- Turn generates 5 days per week (M-F) until 2450, then the schedule will drop to (M,W,F).

Victory conditions:
- 170% over second player after 2500
- 100% consensus as winner OR
- Highest score at 2560



Other Stuff:
- We are loking for Moderator who will check all races, create universe and send files to AH.
- We are looking for some non-playing Host to (it can be the same person as Mod). If there will be unclear situation if somebody had just broken the rules or no Host will be able to check your tours and decide who is right.
I hope he will check randomly from time to time your tours to find out if we obey the rules So be aware


So this is how my proposition looks like. If you have some other nice ideas im ready for discussion.

Cieply

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i won't play, only have been asked to be a host, so it's not my business
though...
every race has some restrictions except IS, which under such rules seems to be very powerful. maybe you should consider this...

banning fuel tansport isn't harsh handicap
25% cost also won't be a bigger problem than in "normal" game. and with cap misiles banned it will practically affect only bor.

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skandal wrote on Mon, 04 October 2010 11:00

i won't play, only have been asked to be a host, so it's not my business

It's not mine either. I have no involvement other than he is using the same basic rules I created. If he chooses to modify them, that is his business.

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though... every race has some restrictions except IS, which under such rules seems to be very powerful. maybe you should consider this...

I encourage anyone who plays or hosts stars to test races and conditions before playing. Since many of the players were repeats in the glacier games, and the last game was not an all IS game...nor did an IS win any of the first 3 games...I will conclude here that you are not seeing all the implications of the rules.

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banning fuel tansport isn't harsh handicap 25% cost also won't be a bigger problem than in "normal" game. and with cap misiles banned it will practically affect only bor.

Banning the fuel transport is huge. You take away free fuel, which is very important at the beginning, and even more so for this game variant, as he is not allowing cheap prop. Further, you take away the extra fleet repair for the IS, as Fuel exports are banned too.

I don't believe you were involved in my 3 games, and it does not sound like you are doing anthing but eyeballing this, so forgive me for sounding like a jerk here. I thoughly tested the races, and that is how I came to my conclusions. The vast majority of the game is fought with BB's, and 25% weapons cost in minerals and *Resources* has a huge effect when that ship consists of 20 weapon slots, and 19 non armor slots. Most people don't use armor, so they can gate. So, at a 50/50 Weap vs everything else, you say that ~12.5% extra ship cost in Bora and Res is not gonna make a difference? I think you are sadly mistaken.

-Matt

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