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I'd go for it in a small universe with anything other than HE or PP and running 3 days a week. I've been out of Stars! now except for minor posts over the last 2 years due to divorce/new lady friend/ then new marriage + varied work issues and an operation. I'm quite back to normal now (with the exception that my new wife and I have a couple hobbies together) - yep - 3 days a week I can do

Ptolemy (Will)

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Ptolemy wrote on Wed, 22 September 2010 14:15

I'd go for it in a small universe with anything other than HE or PP and running 3 days a week. I've been out of Stars! now except for minor posts over the last 2 years due to divorce/new lady friend/ then new marriage + varied work issues and an operation. I'm quite back to normal now (with the exception that my new wife and I have a couple hobbies together) - yep - 3 days a week I can do Ptolemy (Will)

I'm just "testing the water" but small seems too "small" to me... original games were in a medium/packed universe with 16 players... perhaps having habs guaranteed helps make small a viable option?

original def:

JFeeple wrote on 17 November 1998 in group:rec.games.computer.stars

Name: IROC IT No of Players: up to 16 Galaxy: Medium-Packed Turns: Every Weekday Victory: Highest score after 150 years, or general concession Level: Intermediate and Up Version: 2.6/7i

Turn frequency could be modified.
discuss...

regards,
donjon

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donjon wrote on Thu, 23 September 2010 16:12

bump

Yeah, it really needed a bump with all those 100 new threads that dropped it to the next page.

mch

(I apologize) -dj

[Updated on: Thu, 23 September 2010 11:46] by Moderator

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I played in IROC WM years ago. With identical races hab draw matters even more ... All planets with same hab would make a difference, of course other factors would still have an impact (like position in the universe).

As for 16 in a small, that's a nice fit.

Too busy at the moment though, new game just started, don't want to get involved in a second one.

mch

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If everyone's the same race... why not go tri-immune?

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Hi!

Ptolemy wrote on Thu, 23 September 2010 17:23

small universe - like 8 or 10 (players).

This, and I'm in.

BR, Iztok

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I'll play it also in this type of situation - no problem. Who's going to create the races? Throw a die for prt selection to make it random?

Ptolemy

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Coyote wrote on Thu, 23 September 2010 21:15

If everyone's the same race... why not go tri-immune?

Tri-immune... hmmm, terraforming is a part of the game. Chopping out the fear of not finding planets is one thing... but removing the resource investment in building your planet's habitability is another.

There needs to be trade-offs.

(I think)

As far as a small universe with 8-10 players are concerned... sounds good

regards,
dj

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Ptolemy wrote on Fri, 24 September 2010 07:48

I'll play it also in this type of situation - no problem. Who's going to create the races? Throw a die for prt selection to make it random?

Still testing the waters... we don't have enough bites... yet...

as far as the sequence of PRTs I am still thinking about that. It will be decided before it goes to game announcements.

The race will be created by a player who is not playing but is notorious for that particular PRT at making a good race.

regards,
dj

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[quote title=donjon wrote on Fri, 24 September 2010 16:23]

Ptolemy wrote on Fri, 24 September 2010 07:48

The race will be created by a player who is not playing but is notorious for that particular PRT at making a good race.

Does it *need* to be a *good* race?

It seemed Coyote had put together some "reasoned" substandard races together for his last game (LIES).
I thought those were going to be published, anyone feels like sharing? Not in this thread but the game stories thread.

Oh, and Iztok, your 30.000 word game review about LIES?

mch

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Hi!

Micha wrote on Sat, 25 September 2010 09:45

Oh, and Iztok, your 30.000 word game review about LIES?

NP. Here you are: veni, vidi, vici.
OFC zeros don't count.

BR, Iztok

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Micha wrote on Sat, 25 September 2010 01:45

Does it *need* to be a *good* race?

No, not really... everybody is driving the same car And, for some, (including me) they wouldn't know a "good" race if it hit them in the face.

regards,
dj

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Micha wrote on Thu, 23 September 2010 09:21

All planets with same hab would make a difference, of course other factors would still have an impact (like position in the universe).

Position... this could be alleviated by pushing all homeworlds to the edges (which I can do )

regards,
dj

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donjon wrote on Mon, 27 September 2010 09:40

Micha wrote on Thu, 23 September 2010 09:21 All planets with same hab would make a difference, of course other factors would still have an impact (like position in the universe). Position... this could be alleviated by pushing all homeworlds to the edges (which I can do ) regards, dj

This would still have an impact, as a square is not quite fair. It would be better to remap the universe into a circle shape, and then locate all the races onto the edges.

You could even make the victory conditions different, if you made the center a standalone patch of stars, with a ~50ly distance from the outer "band" of stars. Easily done with the same utility. Winner is declared when 1 player has all the inner stars colonized...

-Matt

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mlaub wrote on Mon, 27 September 2010 12:25

donjon wrote on Mon, 27 September 2010 09:40 Position... this could be alleviated by pushing all homeworlds to the edges (which I can do ) This would still have an impact, as a square is not quite fair. It would be better to remap the universe into a circle shape, and then locate all the races onto the edges. You could even make the victory conditions different, if you made the center a standalone patch of stars, with a ~50ly distance from the outer "band" of stars. Easily done with the same utility. Winner is declared when 1 player has all the inner stars colonized...

Yes, the small universe universe could be remapped to a 200ly radius circle, with the hws arrayed around the outer edge.

Not sure about the central space with the planets goal there... that is a complete rewrite of the original rules. Likely there would be races who win by straight points who would not win because they have no central planets.

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mlaub wrote on Mon, 27 September 2010 20:25

donjon wrote on Mon, 27 September 2010 09:40 Micha wrote on Thu, 23 September 2010 09:21 All planets with same hab would make a difference, of course other factors would still have an impact (like position in the universe). Position... this could be alleviated by pushing all homeworlds to the edges (which I can do ) regards, dj This would still have an impact, as a square is not quite fair. It would be better to remap the universe into a circle shape, and then locate all the races onto the edges. You could even make the victory conditions different, if you made the center a standalone patch of stars, with a ~50ly distance from the outer "band" of stars. Easily done with the same utility. Winner is declared when 1 player has all the inner stars colonized... -Matt

Reminds me of Rings.

I don't think the universe should be remapped. I just wanted to point out after removing a bad hab draw the position in the universe would be the next "unfair" factor ...

If you remap it indeed alters the concept ... a bit.

mch

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Micha wrote on Mon, 27 September 2010 14:40

I don't think the universe should be remapped. I just wanted to point out after removing a bad hab draw the position in the universe would be the next "unfair" factor ... If you remap it indeed alters the concept ... a bit. mch

Ok, I'll bite. How exactly would remapping the universe to a circle, and locating the races equidistant on the rim of the circle alter the concept? (not including the center section).

All that does is put everyone on the same plane?

-Matt

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The concept of the original IROC series was simple - all races equal, get the luck of your draw and the best player wins - nothing else. Honestly, in the concept of the original series, I see no point in creating special universes for this. It would be a fun game regardless

Ptolemy

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