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DN vs Nubian |
Mon, 06 October 2003 18:55 |
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It's old and it's a relatively tired subject but why not post it up on here...
Nubian Vs WM dreadnaught.
Nubian better than DN
More versatile
More Armour (ship hull)
Can mount a decent number of beam deflectors
Gateable
Cheaper
DN better than Nub
2x 8x weapon slot
2x 6x weapon slot
2x 5x weapon slot - i.e. excellent missile platform.
Can mount 38 weapons. Same number of weapons on a nub leaves 1 free 3x slot
Higher base init (fires first in a beamer battle)
The way I figure it is as such....
If you want high stacks of armour and sheilding - the DN is king
If you want sheer firepower DN is still king (38 beam weapons + 8x capacitors = big bang)
If you want a missile platform - DN is king.
But not all battles are about firepower or damage absorbtion. The nubian is gateable and most of all you can REDUCE the enemy's ability to hurt you: less sheilds and/or armour, but it's not as required.
A Nubian will more than likely cost alot less too (a 10 decrease in incoming damage costs 2 resources at max tech - you do the math on the sheilds vs beam deflector ratio for best performance) than a DN.
But there's the phsychological effect of 1000 DN's heading for you. 1000 nubians is bad.... but 1000 DN's is scary.
As a slight note... 1000 DN's with a full payload of missiles can take out 38,000 chaff with the first volley - that's basically all the chaff in a fleet unless you bring alot of fleets/designs of chaff.
Personally I'd design unattractive DN's and use them as a missile platform (artillery if you will) and then build chaff and nubs to sap up the enemy firepower (a max tech DN loaded with a galaxy scoop, armageddon missiles, 2x jammer 30's and 8 sheilds costs 1104 resources) - downside is it costs about 2000kt of Ironium and it's so heavy you can forget stargating.
What do you guys think?
If you don't rate the DN at all as a missile platform thanks to it's lack of gatability - then what would you use for a missile platform?
For a gateable missile platform i like the BC loaded up with 6x omega, 4x battle Nexus, 2x engine (galaxy scoop?), 2x over thruster. With the galaxy scoop you get a 304kt missile ship with a battle speed of 2.5 - scary stuff.
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Re: DN vs Nubian |
Tue, 07 October 2003 00:55 |
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Sotek | | Chief Warrant Officer 2 | Messages: 167
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I'd use a nubian.
Four to six BDs, one or two jammers, one or two comps, one slot of missiles, a light engine, one slot of thrusters possibly, and shields.
VERY cheap.
VERY VERY cheap.
You can build these in huge numbers.
They are gateable, they're tough against beamers, far tougher than your DNs, cost for cost, and they're nasty in a missile duel, especially the 2 jammer 1 comp omega torp variant.
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Re: DN vs Nubian |
Fri, 17 October 2003 03:05 |
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zoid | | Ensign | Messages: 348
Registered: December 2002 Location: Murray, KY - USA | |
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Huh? I'm baffled.
All these numbers are too big for my little mind, but I don't think 1000 dreadnoughts with armageddons will kill 1 billion battleships (or scouts, for that matter), even if the battleships are unshielded and sport only a single laser on each. Assuming the battleships have adequate movement to engage the dreadnoughts, of course. 1 billion is an awfully big number - I doubt 1000 dreadnoughts has anywhere near enough missiles to kill them all before the remainder of those 1 billion weapon platforms come into play, probably taking out the 1000 dreadnoughts in a single volley.
So, I can't back it up mathematically, but I'm betting my money on the 1 billion laser-armed scouts. All I know for sure is that my money is a lot less than 1 billion anything.
It was a frivolous discussion at the point where lasers came into the mix, anyways. Actually, at the point where 1 billion battleships came into the mix (and if you ask Deuce, it became frivolous at the point where 1000 dreadnoughts were put into the mix). Sheesh, next thing ya know someones going to point out the fleet limitations and battleboard overload, etc.
Oh, and if ya wonder why I spelled out "billion" with letters instead of numbers, remember whose talking, here. (how many zeroes is that, again?)
I'M NOT AN EXPERT AND I'M OFTEN PROVEN WRONG. TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU READ MY POSTS.
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Re: DN vs Nubian |
Tue, 21 October 2003 21:41 |
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zoid | | Ensign | Messages: 348
Registered: December 2002 Location: Murray, KY - USA | |
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zoid wrote on Fri, 17 October 2003 00:05 | Sheesh, next thing ya know someones going to point out the fleet limitations and battleboard overload, etc.
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overworked wrote on Mon, 20 October 2003 05:56 | Sounds good on paper, but I bet there's some sort of damage overload bug in the Battle Board. I seem to recall a few players hitting it in one of Xdude's monster games.
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iztok wrote on Tue, 21 October 2003 02:08 | You can not have more than 32000 ships in one token, and more than 256 tokens on battle board. So 1 billion scouts against 1 thousand DNs can't ever happen.
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What did I tell you?
I'M NOT AN EXPERT AND I'M OFTEN PROVEN WRONG. TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU READ MY POSTS.
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