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Re: Any candidate for an all-AR game? Wed, 12 May 2010 06:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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AlexTheGreat wrote on Wed, 12 May 2010 03:43

I'd like to propose that this game is regenned if starting Iron MC is lower that (say) 70. There are 2 reasons:
1. Inexperienced ARs may not realise how serious the early Iron crunch can be so I think that should not be TOO serious for them.
2. Experienced players that take a RW penalty will actually be in a better position IRT mineral shortages since they will almost certainly apply the points to surface minerals or MCs.


Valid reasons but nevertheless I wouldn't propose a regen.

I hate it when people play a race design optimized for a good HW but which is hopeless with a difficult start. It's part of a good design and flexible strat to be able to cope with such problems.

In this game all play ARs.... so it's fun to find ways to cope with an ironium shortage.

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Re: Any candidate for an all-AR game? Wed, 12 May 2010 14:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I intended to ask the person who'd generate the game to regen if iron MC would be 30 and germ would be below 50. That'd be about the only concession to the AR iron crunch I'd make. The rest would be on the player to design the proper race and development strategy for the worst case scenario.

Wht I'd also like to ask the future host would be no player in dead corner or at the edge, but that would be already a lot to ask from him. Embarassed Well, maybe some good soul will arrive from heaven... Wink

BR, Iztok


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Re: Any candidate for an all-AR game? Wed, 12 May 2010 19:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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iztok wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 04:25

I intended to ask the person who'd generate the game to regen if iron MC would be 30 and germ would be below 50.


With all playing AR, you shouldn't really need the host to watch any concs, it's the same boat for everyone, although I suppose really bad iron would give a small advantage to anyone who found a high iron conc world right next to their HW. For sure, if you had to choose between asking him to check concs or check positions, it's positions you'd want him to check.

Low germ shouldn't affect an AR much. I suppose a high growth -ISB AR might suffer a bit more than others Very Happy


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Re: Any candidate for an all-AR game? Wed, 12 May 2010 23:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dogthinkers wrote on Wed, 12 May 2010 19:24

iztok wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 04:25

I intended to ask the person who'd generate the game to regen if iron MC would be 30 and germ would be below 50.


With all playing AR, you shouldn't really need the host to watch any concs, it's the same boat for everyone, although I suppose really bad iron would give a small advantage to anyone who found a high iron conc world right next to their HW. For sure, if you had to choose between asking him to check concs or check positions, it's positions you'd want him to check.

Low germ shouldn't affect an AR much. I suppose a high growth -ISB AR might suffer a bit more than others Very Happy



True, everyone is in the same type of boat but the experienced players (who took a RW point penalty) have their boat loaded with minerals whereas the beginners have an empty one. Of course, a beginner could decide to leave RW points to have more starting minerals but that means they no longer get an inexperience bonus.

In this game I agree that low Germ MC won't matter even tho colonisers cost abt. 30 Germ. You may have experienced a Germ crunch in testing if iron MC was high tho. Depending upon your strategy you might have problems in building SS/US bases because of low Germ MC on colonies because remote miners might be rather expensive requiring Germ importation.



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Re: Any candidate for an all-AR game? Mon, 17 May 2010 15:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm interested if there's still a space.
I don't know if I can pass the criteria yet though.
I have never played AR before
(partly because they seem impossible to play against normal races)

Is there a deadline for submission.

Cheers

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Re: Any candidate for an all-AR game? Mon, 17 May 2010 16:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Galien wrote on Tue, 18 May 2010 05:28

(partly because they seem impossible to play against normal races)


Far from impossible... In a suitable universe (medium or bigger, not sparse, not too crowded) they can be extremely strong.

Played well, their resources are comparable to most -f races (excluding CA, IS,) so competing on resources and tech isn't really the problem. Competing on metal in early game is the tricky bit. Specifically, the big challenge is surviving the early jihad era (when missiles outrange beam orbitals but you are still iron poor.) If you make it through that, you'll notice your neighbours slowly shift from laughing at the AR, to being intimidated by the AR.

I've once had the pleasure of taking an AR to the end game against normal races... It was disturbingly effective. Resource growth went absolutely wild (like any -f on the offensive), mines cost about 1.5 resources each, and thousands of torp nubians were deployed as a result... And yet turns were quick (unlimited minerals simplifies Stars rather a lot Smile

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Re: Any candidate for an all-AR game? Sat, 22 May 2010 23:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Will this game be announced soon?

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Re: Any candidate for an all-AR game? Sun, 23 May 2010 03:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Will this game be announced soon?

Yep. Some candidates wanted it to start in June, so I decided to wait a bit. Bit now it's time...

BR, Iztok

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Topic locked (Re: Any candidate for an all-AR game?) Mon, 21 June 2010 11:06 Go to previous message
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iztok wrote on Sun, 23 May 2010 09:13

Hi!
Quote:

Will this game be announced soon?

Yep. Some candidates wanted it to start in June, so I decided to wait a bit. Bit now it's time...

BR, Iztok


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