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When is the cloak % revealed? Sun, 31 January 2010 10:57 Go to next message
Misza is currently offline Misza

 
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As the topic says, my question is when the cloak % of alien fleets revealed?

In particular, I see a foreign fleet (at the same location as my scout), right click on its image in the status pane and the popup window says "Cloak/Jam: 0%/0%". Does this automatically mean it can't be an SS? Or would I need to scan the design to see even their inherent 75%?

A generated F-file also says Cloak 0.



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Re: When is the cloak % revealed? Sun, 31 January 2010 14:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah, stars information is very confusing in this case. I can say that the information displayed for unknown design can be wrong. And in fact even having a battle with the ship of this design can't guarantee the valid values. These are the things I'm sure about.

My guess is that the effects which are brought by PRT or LRT are not taken into account.

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Re: When is the cloak % revealed? Sun, 31 January 2010 16:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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When looking in the ship designer at foreign designs Stars! takes your *own* race into account.
This means when you are SS you'll see each enemy ship with at least 75% cloak. A non-SS will *not* see this 75% cloak in the ship designer even if the other race is SS.

If you want to know the correct cloak % you'll first of course need the ship design, after that you need to know the PRT. If the race is not a SS and you aren't either the design will (once scanned in battle or being WM) show the correct value.

If you suspect it's a SS and you are not you'll have to calculate the correct vaules adding the SS inherent 75% (or rebuild the design in a testbed with a SS).

mch

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Re: When is the cloak % revealed? Fri, 16 April 2010 08:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Micha wrote on Sun, 31 January 2010 23:17

When looking in the ship designer at foreign designs Stars! takes your *own* race into account.
This means when you are SS you'll see each enemy ship with at least 75% cloak. A non-SS will *not* see this 75% cloak in the ship designer even if the other race is SS.



Can't agree with you Rolling Eyes

I've noticed that while playing SS, in the Ship Design, when selecting "Enemy hulls" - all the ships are displayed as if they all are not SS. Even those that are indeed SS Laughing Even for those designs that are known Smile
You see, when selecting enemy ship on the map or in the battle, 75% are always added. When browsing the designs through Ship Design, 75% are always NOT added.

So it must be dependent on player's personality and nothing else. If you are optimist then browse enemy designs through Ship Design window. If you are pessimist - use map and battle selections Very Happy

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Re: When is the cloak % revealed? Fri, 16 April 2010 21:16 Go to previous message
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paul_ik wrote on Fri, 16 April 2010 22:00

Can't agree with you Rolling Eyes

I've noticed that while playing SS, in the Ship Design, when selecting "Enemy hulls" - all the ships are displayed as if they all are not SS. Even those that are indeed SS Laughing Even for those designs that are known Smile
You see, when selecting enemy ship on the map or in the battle, 75% are always added. When browsing the designs through Ship Design, 75% are always NOT added.

So it must be dependent on player's personality and nothing else. If you are optimist then browse enemy designs through Ship Design window. If you are pessimist - use map and battle selections Very Happy


Very interesting... I'm playing SS in a game at the moment, and indeed, what paul_jk says is true. That's very useful to know. One tiny clarification though - if you are NOT playing SS yourself, then both sets of values show the same, 'presumed not SS' value.

So, if you are not SS, and they are, then it'll show the wrong value whatever part of the GUI you are in. In which case you need a calculator / testbed to check their real cloaking values.

i.e.
If you are SS: ship designer shows 'assumed not SS' value, map shows 'assumed SS' value.
If you are not SS: ship designer and both show the same 'assumed not SS' values.



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