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how do i re-use a map? Wed, 24 March 2010 21:45 Go to next message
Lee_Dailey is currently offline Lee_Dailey

 
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howdy y'all,

i just finished a game using 2.7 [i've got the manual and cd siting next to me] and can't figure out how to replay a map. i presume one can. [*grin*]

i want to replay that map with a slightly different custom race and a smaller set of ai races. i've got the set of files from the end of the game.

take care,
lee

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Re: how do i re-use a map? Wed, 24 March 2010 22:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lee_Dailey wrote on Wed, 24 March 2010 20:45



i want to replay that map with a slightly different custom race and a smaller set of ai races.

take care,
lee




Lee

Open up the "stars players guide" and look for "Creating a Universe from the Command Line" in the help topics.

Follow how to create a game definition file, and use a random seed in that file. Every game you create with that seed/computer combo, should have the same universe.

Well, not quite. Smile

You need to be careful of races that start with 2 planets, as they will change the "randomness" of the universe generation. So, as long as you have the same # of IT's and PP's, and keep them in the same player locations (meaning race #3 and #5 are IT and PP in all universes), you will be fine.

I would pick an arbitrary number like 2 or 3 "slots" to dedicate to 2 planet races, and then you can switch out an AI Cybertron race with your IT race, if you want to play a IT...

Macinti - Alternate Reality
Robotoids - Hyper Expander
Automitrons - Inner Strength
Rototills - Claim Adjuster
Turindrones - Super Stealth
Cybertrons - Packet Physics

Hope that makes sense.

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Re: how do i re-use a map? Thu, 25 March 2010 04:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lee_Dailey is currently offline Lee_Dailey

 
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howdy matt,

um, er ...

in my manual there is no entry for a random seed - nor anything that seems likely to be a seed. here's the items listed for a def file ...

1- game name
2- uni-size dens start-dist
3- max-mineral slow-tech bbs-play no-random computer-allies public-scores clumping
4- #-of-players [this says only humans? how can the ai play the other "players"?]
5+ - pathnames-to-race-files
6- vc-1
7- vc-2
8- vc-3
9- vc-4
10- vc-5
11- vc-6
12- vc-7
13- vc-8
14- new-universe-file-name

that's 14+ lines and no hint of where to put any random seed. [*grin*] i'm SO confused ...

take care,
lee


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Re: how do i re-use a map? Thu, 25 March 2010 05:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lee_Dailey wrote on Thu, 25 March 2010 02:45

i want to replay that map with a slightly different custom race and a smaller set of ai races.

I'm affraid you can't. If you haven't created the map with command line utility and a known random number (the 4th number in a second row), you can't re-create the univere. And even if you'd know the number, would be your new universe different, because you'd use less AIs.

One chance at repeating the game would be, if you'd have the first turn files. Then you could edit your race (you'd need modified Stars! program, that saves nen-encripted files), and disable some AIs (simply lifting all pop and deleting the freighter design, AKA "spacing" them). But IMO that would be too much hassle, compared to simply creating a new game.

And welcome on forums! Cool

BR, Iztok


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Re: how do i re-use a map? Thu, 25 March 2010 05:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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iztok wrote on Thu, 25 March 2010 05:02

Hi!
Lee_Dailey wrote on Thu, 25 March 2010 02:45

i want to replay that map with a slightly different custom race and a smaller set of ai races.

I'm affraid you can't. If you haven't created the map with command line utility and a known random number (the 4th number in a second row), you can't re-create the univere. And even if you'd know the number, would be your new universe different, because you'd use less AIs.

One chance at repeating the game would be, if you'd have the first turn files. Then you could edit your race (you'd need modified Stars! program, that saves nen-encripted files), and disable some AIs (simply lifting all pop and deleting the freighter design, AKA "spacing" them). But IMO that would be too much hassle, compared to simply creating a new game.

And welcome on forums! Cool

BR, Iztok


howdy Iztok,

gah! i suspected that was the case. thanks for hte info, tho. [*grin*]

take care,
lee


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Re: how do i re-use a map? Thu, 25 March 2010 16:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Creating a Universe from the Command Line

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Re: how do i re-use a map? Fri, 26 March 2010 04:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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gible wrote on Thu, 25 March 2010 16:02

Creating a Universe from the Command Line

howdy gible,

spiffy! that's what i was looking for. well, not _quite_, but danged close. what i wanted is non-doable. [*grin*]

still, thanks lots for the link! it's nicely detailed and _very_ understandable.

take care,
lee

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Re: how do i re-use a map? Sat, 27 March 2010 08:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lee_Dailey wrote on Fri, 26 March 2010 09:47

what i wanted is non-doable. [*grin*]

There's supposed to exist tools that can remap a galaxy's stars to specification. So you could theoretically use the textfile of an "universe dump" to clone all star positions from one galaxy inside another galaxy. Homeworlds are a bit harder, but still somewhat tweakable. Fire bounce Not sure about minerals, though.



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Re: how do i re-use a map? Sat, 27 March 2010 11:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Erm,
Yeah, and you *could* redo the planets so the have the same habs and MCs (and names)...

but is it worth it? Confused3

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Re: how do i re-use a map? Sat, 27 March 2010 12:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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howdy m.a@stars & donjon,

i originally wanted to replay a specific game with a slightly different custom race. more growth and production, mostly.

the method used to gen a universe from a DEF file seems to make that possible in the future and that's good enuf. it looks like the DEF file method will allow me to redo a game with a few changes to see how those changes work out.

thanks to alla y'all for the input! [*grin*]

take care,
lee

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Re: how do i re-use a map? Sat, 27 March 2010 13:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Lee,

The same seed will produce different results based upon the number of homeworlds and secondaries... throw a different race which has a secondary on top of a race which has no secondary will give you a new and completely different universe Smile

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Re: how do i re-use a map? Sat, 27 March 2010 13:48 Go to previous message
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donjon wrote on Sat, 27 March 2010 13:08

Hi Lee,

The same seed will produce different results based upon the number of homeworlds and secondaries... throw a different race which has a secondary on top of a race which has no secondary will give you a new and completely different universe Smile

howdy donjon,

yep! [*grin*] that was mentioned earlier, i think. still, thanks for the heads up.

take care,
lee

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