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| Re: Interception fleet movement order |
Tue, 02 February 2010 11:24   |
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| m.a@stars wrote on Sun, 31 January 2010 03:58 |
| Raindancer wrote on Sat, 30 January 2010 15:00 |
So the result was what appeared to be a diagonal line of chaff destruction between our two planets.
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Almost as if they have used cloaked chaff to sneak up on you? 
I'd like to see a pic of that streak of debris, just in case I'm misinterpreting something. 
What I don't see is the relationship to ship targeting (mis)behavior. 
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Cloaking: to my knowledge my opponent was not using overcloakers (and a number of years later and I have still not seen any...). I also had good scanning ships nearby (nubians with 30 peerless scanners each hidden by overcloakers...). There is one small space where he could theoretically have another cloaked fleet, but I knew his main fleet came from the planet, not from deep space as it appears...
Pics: I will go back into the turns and use the Vista snipping tool to cut some pics for you, but I may have not time for a few days.
Targeting: The enemy ships apparently were targeting one of my fleets, and skipped over part of the minefield toward a planet , then changed direction to follow my fleet... if that problem not caused by ships targeting ships targeting ships that have split and merged, then I do not know what would have caused it.
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| Re: Interception fleet movement order |
Wed, 03 February 2010 15:01 |
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| Micha wrote on Wed, 03 February 2010 16:29 |
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m.a@stars[/email] wrote on Wed, 03 February 2010 16:17]Perhaps we should try to ask the other player how he managed the feat. 
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He doesn't remember nor has a backup of the .x file ... hm, maybe Ron still has some backups, it happened less than 5 years ago.
mch (host)
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Since it is possible to "roll back" a game, Autohost must be keeping backups of the files, at least some time back.
However, it isn't necessary to bother Ron, as I have a backup of the relevant files.
Not only do the chaff sweepers seem to skip a section, causing the main battle fleet to hit a minefield, it seems that all of the ships first go a short distance towards the original position of the enemy fleet without suffering any mine hits, then start going in the general direction of an enemy planet, but the chaff sweeper debris is not on a straight line.
Both the chaff sweepers and the main battle fleet have the same enemy fleet as target. The enemy (Raindancer's race) apparently split the fleet, keeping the fleet with the original fleet number in location. I cannot determine where the split off enemy ships went, but the debris line does not head towards any visible enemy fleet.
I think we also need to know what Raindancer did that turn in order to find an explanation, and I don't think Raindancer is going to send me the relevant files at this time, which means that analysis would have to be done by a third party, or after the game is over.
For those who have not guessed already, I am an ally of the race that performed the strange fleet movements, and an enemy of Raindancer's race.
Med venlig hilsen / Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Christian Ræbild / Christian Raebild
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| Re: Interception fleet movement order |
Wed, 03 February 2010 23:01 |
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| m.a@stars |
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| craebild wrote on Wed, 03 February 2010 21:01 |
Not only do the chaff sweepers seem to skip a section, causing the main battle fleet to hit a minefield, it seems that all of the ships first go a short distance towards the original position of the enemy fleet without suffering any mine hits, then start going in the general direction of an enemy planet, but the chaff sweeper debris is not on a straight line.
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Quite weird, indeed. Unheard of, even 
There are known egregious bugs related to interception, like the "overshoot", that point to less-than-accurate workings of the game engine, but this would involve some kind of non-linear movement calculation, part of which would enjoy a magic teleportation thru mines. 
A whole can of bugs. 
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I think we also need to know what Raindancer did that turn in order to find an explanation, and I don't think Raindancer is going to send me the relevant files at this time, which means that analysis would have to be done by a third party, or after the game is over.
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I could be that 3rd party. 
Or we could just ask him what his fleets with the relevant IDs did, and whether he was targeting your ally's fleets and with what. We would need to know speeds and positions too.
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| Re: Interception fleet movement order |
Thu, 04 February 2010 10:27 |
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I think we also need to know what Raindancer did that turn in order to find an explanation, and I don't think Raindancer is going to send me the relevant files at this time, which means that analysis would have to be done by a third party, or after the game is over.
Or we could just ask him what his fleets with the relevant IDs did, and whether he was targeting your ally's fleets and with what. We would need to know speeds and positions too.
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Micha is the host, and does (or did) have the files. He took a quick look. (My memory is...) that he took a look, did not understand it, but could not tell me more without revealing anything about my opponent. 
I also have the impression that Micha did not have time to look at it in more detail.
I was targeting his fleet with a cloaked scanner ship, set to speed zero. Thus one of my original questions. I was not targeting his fleet with anything else. That fleet merged into a different number fleet (to be the highest number after the chaff of course...).
My fleet moved farther away, causing a would-be follower to go through more minefields to follow. IMO because of this not enough chaff were used which is what caused the main fleet to hit the minefield. At the end of that movement my fleet merged with a group of overcloakers, thus hiding the fleet from the scanners of my opponent.
I was going to send some pics, but the recent conversation has led me to believe that this would not be enough anyway, given the complications.
I am quite willing to send the files to an independent, as long as the person does not reveal anything to me or my opponent that we do not already know, via email or this forum. or we can wait until after the game and then I can send everyone interested all the related files, including my opponents...
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