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LEit wrote on Tue, 06 May 2003 16:49

I think it is likely that the mine detection realizes that you could go warp 3 to make the trip, and slows the ships down to that speed, thereby having all of them 'safely' travel through the mine field.

I doubt that, AFAIK Stars! looks at the set speed ... but this could be tested if someone has the free time.

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A solution is to send the fleet all the way through the field going at least 65ly (I'd prefer to go warp 10 and at least 82ly).

Going through the field is indeed (always) better, your chaff travels double the distance through the field (16ly in your case) and gives more chance for hits.

And less chance to trigger the battle board overload bug (but with the numbers you are using this is not going to happen anyway),

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mch

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It's also entirely possible that quite by accident you triggered the N/S or E/W minefield immunity without intending to do so. If you moved your fleet directly north, south, east, or west, there is a bug which prevents ships from hitting mines. This is considered a cheat, but it sounds like you may have pulled it off inadvertently. Kind of a pain when you're trying to hit mines!

Or am I remembering wrong and JRC4 fixed that bug? I don't think it did, but I'm mostly goofy about things anyway these days...

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EDog wrote on Tue, 06 May 2003 19:07

It's also entirely possible that quite by accident you triggered the N/S or E/W minefield immunity without intending to do so. If you moved your fleet directly north, south, east, or west, there is a bug which prevents ships from hitting mines. This is considered a cheat, but it sounds like you may have pulled it off inadvertently. Kind of a pain when you're trying to hit mines! Or am I remembering wrong and JRC4 fixed that bug? I don't think it did, but I'm mostly goofy about things anyway these days... EDog

Thought of that too but IIRC jRC4 indeed fixed those bugs (or should have), but Paul is probably using jRC3 for his tests. Anyway I rejected that idea because Paul can't trigger both bugs at the same time as he mentioned there are a standard and a speedbump in orbit.

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mch

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Micha wrote on Tue, 06 May 2003 12:14

I doubt that, AFAIK Stars! looks at the set speed ... but this could be tested if someone has the free time.

OK, I just sent 500 chaff (each in it's own fleet) 25ly on the diagonal (to avoid any ns/ew bugs) at warp 10. They were going through a both a speed and a std mine field. They were not going to the source, or beyond it, just 25 ly into the field, they started at the edge.

There were 41 that died to reactor failure for going warp 10 (somewhat less then the 50 expected).

There were 22 that hit the standard mines, that wasn't enough to chaff sweep the field. The expected number of hits is 167. While you should expect some fairly high variation in that number, 22 is not reasonable. It did leave a nice trail of debris.

There were NONE that hit the speed traps. The odds that one of them could go warp 10 through 25ly of speed traps is 0.815% (less then 1%). The odds that 437 could make the trip are too close to zero to calculate.

Therefore, for mine hits only, it will reduce your speed to the minimum needed to make the trip.

One other wierd thing I noticed is that not all chaff had the same fuel at the end of the trip. One had 110, one had 108, the rest all had 109...

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Can anyone give me a clue as to why I could not get a minefield hit?

Well ... the other race might have you set to friend.

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mch

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LEit wrote on Tue, 06 May 2003 22:11

Micha wrote on Tue, 06 May 2003 12:14 I doubt that, AFAIK Stars! looks at the set speed ... but this could be tested if someone has the free time. OK, I just sent 500 chaff (each in it's own fleet) 25ly on the diagonal (to avoid any ns/ew bugs) at warp 10. They were going through a both a speed and a std mine field. They were not going to the source, or beyond it, just 25 ly into the field, they started at the edge. There were 41 that died to reactor failure for going warp 10 (somewhat less then the 50 expected). There were 22 that hit the standard mines, that wasn't enough to chaff sweep the field. The expected number of hits is 167. While you should expect some fairly high variation in that number, 22 is not reasonable. It did leave a nice trail of debris. There were NONE that hit the speed traps. The odds that one of them could go warp 10 through 25ly of speed traps is 0.815% (less then 1%). The odds that 437 could make the trip are too close to zero to calculate. Therefore, for mine hits only, it will reduce your speed to the minimum needed to make the trip.

Very surprised! Thanks for testing that! Very good to know!
Even more surprising that some blew up going warp10 but in fact they were going warp5?

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One other wierd thing I noticed is that not all chaff had the same fuel at the end of the trip. One had 110, one had 108, the rest all had 109...

True weird too, but not as shocking as the above.
BTW, was that he amount of fuel the chaff would have had if they indeed would have travelled at warp5?

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mch

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