slimdrag00n wrote on Wed, 10 June 2009 00:20

Its gonna be unbalanced no matter what. Im basing teams on beginner, experienced, and pro( number of games played). A pro here might only be as good as some experienced players and visa versa. Some experienced players may be just as good as some of the beginners.

So why a) worry so much about it when most people have expressed they don't mind the inconsistencies and b) not allow friends to be in the same team, when that said team consists of a rough balance of the skills you are specifically aiming for?

slimdrag00n wrote on Wed, 10 June 2009 00:20

I dont think i should post teams yet because i need one more player. If i post now before getting the last player and you start talking race designs it would mess things up if i have to change the teams. Plus it would give the showed teams advantage for more time to talk.

Things are already "messed up" in that lots of players (not just my proposed team) have already talked about race design, revealing details and full race designs, who will end up playing against each other with knowledge of exactly what they are likely to face. The alternative to that is for those players to choose sub-optimal designs just to hide their design from their friends.

slimdrag00n wrote on Wed, 10 June 2009 00:20

Im doing what i think is fair as possible. Rushing me isnt helping. You dont want to end up on a really bad team. What I choose will most likly be set in stone cause ill be thinking hard about it.

OK, it's your game and you can run it how you like. But ending up on a bad team is exactly the reason why I will not be participating in a close team game where I do not get to decide who I will be playing with for the next ~6 months. Also, you have said yourself that you cannot effectively gauge who is good and who is mediocre, or who will work well together, so teams you produce will be arbitrary anyway...

The bottom line is that in my original post I said I would sign up on the condition that we were able to specify our own teams. If we cannot, that's fine, just don't be upset if you find yourself looking for more than one extra player.

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slimdrag00n wrote on Tue, 09 June 2009 10:44

I worry about it because i want teams to be fair.

slimdrag00n in private message to me

I have chosen you to be the pro in are team... i pick you because iv been told by reliable source you are the best player in open war x.

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Hi ,

so whats up here game is still not running

Could i give you a helping hand ?


ccmaster

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Kaloth wrote on Tue, 09 June 2009 12:43

The alternative to that is for those players to choose sub-optimal designs...

I hope you will stay with us, Kaloth. I don't think you or anyone will have to deal with making "sub-optimal" designs. Stars! has a great variety of great balanced designs. That is what makes it great.

I for one appreciate the attempt at keeping a level playing field. Using your logic, if you got to keep your team, then the rest of us should drop out, because of your unfair advantage of having more time to design your races, and the more optimal tactical advantage of better communication with your friends.

I am easy either way, really, but variety is the spice of life. Stay with us, and make some new friends, and enjoy playing *against* your friends.

If you want to play a team "duel" where you are posting a team against all comers, then post it that way as a separate game, and allow others to get together and pre-select their teams as well. That would also be fun.

heh... I guess everything is fun in stars!

naz

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Universe
Medium Dense with remapped HW's Thanks to Gible.
12 Players divided in to 4 teams of 3 based on skill level.



Game parameters
Yes Slow Tech Advances
Yes Accelerated BBS
Random Events off
Chaff and Split Fleet Dodge allowed, Repair after gating loophole is ok because that's bound to happen no matter what when merging all other cheats are banned.
All players not on your team must be set to Enemy
May only share tech, intel, and trade with members of own team.

Learning how to Host for the first time on Auto Host so bare with me.

Race Restrictions
Teams can pick only 1 race from each grouping. Once teams are established there will be a 10 to 14 day window to discuss with your teammates race design(hopefully sooner to get it rolling Gibles way to remap HW's). I will not be posting players emails on the forum so you will have to PM your teammates in order to get hold of them once list is established.


Group 1: JoAT, IT, CA
Group 2: IS, SD, HE
Group 3: WM, SS, PP
Group 4: AR
Restrictions: Group 1 cannot be chosen by Pro's.
Only Beginners can choose CA.
CA 100 points left over

Victory goes to Last Team Standing.

Skill level will be determined by number of games play so when you say your in also include the number of game you have played including those still running. I will try to keep the teams as balanced as possible based on this system when making the team.
Also please list your time zones.

Skill groups are;
5 or less games played -Beginner
6 - 11 games played -Experienced
12+ games played. -Pro

A list of teams will be posted by me prior to race design, any grievances regarding teams must be stated within 72 hours of list being posted in hopes of possible change.

I want to try to stay with a Monday threw Friday for turns at least till turn 20 these turns really shouldn't take to long to complete. After that if the majority wants we will go to a 4 turn a week. Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday.

If a player leaves due to real life. I think 3 weeks is a well reasonable time frame to find replacement or continue on without one after that time by majority vote.

Mark Hewitt will be the race checker. (Thank you.)

Team 1
1:Skandal: pro- GMT +1
2:Crappicus: experienced-GMT -8
3:Gesh: experienced- GMT -5

Team 2
1:Bretter: pro -5
2:Deuce: experienced GMT-4
3:Einherjock: beginner- GMT -8

Team 3
1:Coyote: pro- GMT -7
2:Xardre: experienced- GMT -7
3:Kaloth: beginner-GMT +10

Team 4
1:CCmaster pro +1
2:bigcanuknaz: experienced GMT-5
3:Slimdragoon: beginner +5

Im trying to make friends here so I think teams 3 and 4 are happy but not sure. If team 1 and 2 leaders have issue with time zones maybe they want to switch there experienced players or something please do post if there's any issues ASAP.
I think thats it and good luck to everyone

EDIT: Allrighty GMT+5 time so i understand. Please PM me with what time you guys want Turns to be Genned and ill try to meet everyone half way to get a decent Gen time.

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ccmaster wrote on Tue, 09 June 2009 18:22

Should be off special in a team game . You dont need them . And Hit by a meteroit is still not funny.

I think No Random Events disables the MT. I like the MT

And I don't think an IT on every team is a given. Remember that you only have 3 players, so you have to leave out one group. All four groups have very useful PRT's in them! Partly because the Slow Tech Advances setting changes the equation a bit, and specific PRT weaknesses can be covered more easily.

Plus there's good old fashioned rock-paper-scissors. If you know your opponent will have an IT, you can gear to those weaknesses. For instance, targeting key stargates and using an SD to slow down reinforcements. Or using packet attacks fueled by a PP/AR combo.

Of course, if I know that you know that I have an IT, I might try to counter that. But you know that I know that you know that...

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Hi ,

Deuce wrote on Wed, 10 June 2009 01:36

I think No Random Events disables the MT. I like the MT that...

MT is only luck and could unbalance the game special in a team game.

Deuce wrote on Wed, 10 June 2009 01:36

And I don't think an IT on every team is a given. Remember that you only have 3 players, so you have to leave out one group. All four groups have very useful PRT's in them!

If CA is banned every team would have a IT because he is better then a Joat and better for the team then any other race listed.

Deuce wrote on Wed, 10 June 2009 01:36

Of course, if I know that you know that I have an IT, I might try to counter that. But you know that I know that you know that...

Too much Iknow and You know I think


ccmaster

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Looks like a fun game, sorry I'm late to the table.

If you need a replacement later, I'm an 'experienced' player, at least according to Jimmy Hendrix.

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slimdrag00n wrote on Wed, 10 June 2009 03:44

I dont want any reductions on anything else but for CA I personally think that its fair because CA is just so over powering especially in a team game.

Personally I can imagine a penalty for CA in normal game where the difference in power is between every single race, but I can't see a reason to give CA a penalty in a team game. This is between *teams*, CA is "just" 1/3 of the team. If you don't pick one, live with it ...

mch

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for me it is ok. i hope there won't be any problems with communication due to different time zones...

edit: i can't see mac in any team...

hello, my team companion
you can contact me at don_skotarro (at) poczta (dot) onet (dot) pl

in regard to CA, IMO it is boring and much too powerful, especially in team game. but i am against any penalties.

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Hi ,

I am for no penalties for CA it is a team game so you dont need it. See Micha's post


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I think a point penalty is still the best option. It doesn't force any particular change on the player. With a point penalty, you can make up the deficit through bad LRT's, lower hab settings, lower growth rate, weaker factories/mines, or expensive research. The player still has choices.

I wouldn't want to remove a key piece of equipment from any PRT. You need to preserve the basic functions of a PRT to keep them useful in a team setting.

Edit: and Low Starting Population gives them points which they would use to improve long-term economy.

Of course, I would vote to keep CA's out of the game anyway

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