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I had some time to spare this evening, and wrote my first (english) article. Go me!

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joseph wrote on Sun, 08 February 2009 05:22

At risk of provoking a heart attack (and with the caveat that I wont do anything for the next couple of months as stupidly busy) I aways fancied sticking together an online course in newb training. Borrow heavily from a few old JC articles (Use them as set texts?) Stick in a couple of tests (using this race do this in a test bed). Race design and why. Colony strategies. Research assignments - CE is disliked by most players, find 3 reasons against using it and 1 for using it. Design a race that you think benefits from the choice of CE and post it.

Sounds good to me Apart from the classic JC article and Altruists tips, there isn't that much directly instructional stuff around..its all commentary on narrow aspects of Stars!.

Actually, an idea for a better player(than me) ...write a commentary article to be read during the tutorial for beginners who've played a game or two and redoing the tut for the articles commentary.

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Go for it

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The few pages I've read seem pretty ok. Congratulations on a nice job!

But I'd like to see the pages where changes from the original helpfile have been made clearly marked, or perhaps a link to the original page would be enough.

Also, could it be possible to collate the info into a less atomized version? One of the problems with the original hlp file, IMHO, is the difficulty in getting anywhere without the search function. In your wiki it should be possible to have a handful "big" pages instead of a thousand mobile-phone-sized snippets.

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m.a@stars wrote on Sun, 26 April 2009 11:15

The few pages I've read seem pretty ok. Congratulations on a nice job!

Thanx

m.a@stars wrote on Sun, 26 April 2009 11:15

But I'd like to see the pages where changes from the original helpfile have been made clearly marked, or perhaps a link to the original page would be enough.

I considered entering the original text, saving the page, and then correcting; to preserve the historical information, but I thought that might have been a bit too anal links to that awful extraction would be too easy tho.

m.a@stars wrote on Sun, 26 April 2009 11:15

Also, could it be possible to collate the info into a less atomized version? One of the problems with the original hlp file, IMHO, is the difficulty in getting anywhere without the search function. In your wiki it should be possible to have a handful "big" pages instead of a thousand mobile-phone-sized snippets.

Yeah I've been trying to do that somewhat, I'm trying to avoid monster pages(eg) and more importantly making sure I can keep track of what links where - linking to a section of a page is fine, as long as I remember that the page I need to link to is now a section of another page. Mostly I've been doing the amalgamations like so using tooltips to reduce the barrage of info, and providing another page with full (printable!) info of that section. and Again with this but separated from that.

Making a few of monster pages wouldn't be hard tho - just transclude whatever other content you want only a single page (which is how the utils full index works) and fill the transcluded pages so they work both ways.

Interconnecting the SPG pages with the existing wiki(or FAQ) content is going to be more interesting...only the Ground Combat and stars.ini pages have collided so far - I swallowed the existing stars.ini page whole into an amalgamated page. (note to self: add back links for each individual file description page)

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gible wrote on Sun, 26 April 2009 01:51

I considered entering the original text, saving the page, and then correcting; to preserve the historical information, but I thought that might have been a bit too anal links to that awful extraction would be too easy tho.

Well, the original extraction could be considered a historical artifact.

But the improved/corrected version should probably carry a note telling who/when/why was it changed (i.e: fix typo, fix math, add info, merge articles, etc...)

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Yeah I've been trying to do that somewhat, I'm trying to avoid monster pages(eg)

With just 100k in 2009 I wouldn't call that a "Monster"... At most, a QuickStart.

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more importantly making sure I can keep track of what links where - linking to a section of a page is fine, as long as I remember that the page I need to link to is now a section of another page.

That should be easier to do for a few dozen "large" pages than for a few hundred "atom" pages.

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Mostly I've been doing the amalgamations like so using tooltips to reduce the barrage of info, and providing another page with full (printable!) info of that section. and Again with this but separated from that.

It is a lot of info, to be sure. It won't be easy to organize & display it all. Better check that you have enough fuel left for the whole trip.

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(note to self: add back links for each individual file description page)

Note to you: keep a master index of everything somewhere that you can later trim down.

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I am going to work on the French version of the Wiki. I am sure that a lot of French players will appreciate it.

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Eagle of Fire wrote on Wed, 10 June 2009 04:17

I am going to work on the French version of the Wiki. I am sure that a lot of French players will appreciate it.

Hé les enfants! Ses bras et tous! Alors, allez modifier le contenu de votre coeur. Eagle of Fire est en charge (la traduction de Google ne peut pas tout faire), donc si vous avez des questions, je suis sûr que d'Eagle Fire sera heureux de vous aider à

(Hey kids! Its all up and working! So go edit to your hearts content. Eagle of Fire is in charge (Google translate can only do so much) so if you have any questions, I'm sure Eagle of Fire will be happy to help you)

I did a quick google translate job on the err main page and the sidebar so its not quite so empty, tho most of those links don't have pages yet.

You can create language links by simply inserting [[en:pagename]] (or [[fr:pagename]] from the current wiki) , which I've done for the main page and Related Websites pages.

You can redirect to english pages, by inserting #redirect [[en:pagename]] ,which I've done for the three Stars!wiki links at the bottom and my userpage.

You can transclude content from the english wiki. Inserting {{en:templatename}} will transclude Template:templatename, inserting {{en::pagename}} will transclude pagename etc, which I've done for Sites Web connexes. Transcluding stuff doesn't always work well, eg the image at the bottom of Sites Web connexes had to be uploaded to the french site and would not transclude despite the reference to the image coming from the transcluded page.

Something I noticed to be careful of, when creating new pages with spaces in the name, the créer cette page link in the 404 page content mangled the page name when I was making the Sites Web connexes page(to Sites+Web+connexes instead of Sites_Web_connexes), but the créer link at the top of the page didn't.

You can link to the download files in the same way as the english wiki by using the local: prefix (eg [[local:stars.zip|download stars.zip]] )

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Hahahaha!

Here is a tip: don't use online translators at all.

I've translated what was on the main page already, and I'm working on the order of events too.

I'll translate as much as possible, depending of my available free time.

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Eagle of Fire wrote on Fri, 12 June 2009 21:20

Hahahaha! Here is a tip: don't use online translators at all.

I would say online translators can be useful, but not for something you have to publish.

If you receive something in a language you don't understand, then an online translator can most of the time give you at least some idea what it is about, if you can identify the language.

A free online translator which I find pretty good is this one: http://www.freetranslation.com/

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You can't read French, can you? If you could you would not be saying that after reading Gible online translation.

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In my Stars! wanderings a few years backup I downloaded version 3.06 of the Stars! Calculator along with other files dated a bit earlier (2001 Sep 1 versus 3.06's 2001 Nov 18), like its help file and the source.

Don't have the original compressed download file that these came in. I may have found them on the ftp server I originally got version 3.06 from, ftp-library.southern.edu (which doesn't exist now). I just don't remember.

I'll send gible the help file via PM, as it's under the length limit (including the program and source puts it up to 453kB).

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Mark Hewitt wrote on Sun, 14 June 2009 02:34

In my Stars! wanderings a few years backup I downloaded version 3.06 of the Stars! Calculator along with other files dated a bit earlier (2001 Sep 1 versus 3.06's 2001 Nov 18), like its help file and the source. Don't have the original compressed download file that these came in. I may have found them on the ftp server I originally got version 3.06 from, ftp-library.southern.edu (which doesn't exist now). I just don't remember. I'll send gible the help file via PM, as it's under the length limit (including the program and source puts it up to 453kB).

Got it. Put it up. Thanx

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