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Re: Vanilla Game (Almost): All Quiet II |
Fri, 13 February 2009 13:06 |
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craebild | | Lieutenant | Messages: 568
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The game has been created and sent to Ron, but please keep this thread open for last minute discussions until Ron has set up the private forum for the game.
The first last minute discussion:
A question has come up regarding colonization: What happens if two races try to colonize the same planet in the same year, and would that constitute a violation of the NAP ?
I do not remember what happens in that situation, so there are two possibilities:
1. The Stars! OOE determines (by player number, reverse player number or randomly) who colonizes the planet and who ends up in orbit with a colonizer that might be low on fuel.
2. Both races go down and engage in ground combat to determine who colonizes the planet. This obviously won't be the case if one of the races is AR, but I have no idea what might happens if one is AR and the other is not.
I would be inclined to say that whatever happens is just bad luck, but I would like to hear your opinions on that matter.
It should be added that popdropping a planet is considered an attack, so popdropping a planet is a violation of the NAP, and as IS overflow population from freighters only beams down to planets owned by their own race, popdropping cannot occur by accident - If the freighter is full and not in orbit of a planet owned by that race, then the colonists do not breed.
Med venlig hilsen / Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Christian Ræbild / Christian Raebild
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Re: Vanilla Game (Almost): All Quiet II |
Fri, 13 February 2009 13:41 |
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rolfverberg | | Master Chief Petty Officer | Messages: 103
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I would say bad luck if it happens. If the defeated party thinks it was a determined or provocative effort, I would say it is free to end the NAP.
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Re: Vanilla Game (Almost): All Quiet II |
Fri, 13 February 2009 13:56 |
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craebild | | Lieutenant | Messages: 568
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rolfverberg wrote on Fri, 13 February 2009 19:41 | I would say bad luck if it happens. If the defeated party thinks it was a determined or provocative effort, I would say it is free to end the NAP.
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Any race can end the NAP with the 2 year exit clause at any time, with any one race or all races, for any reason, or for no reason at all. The 2 year exit clause is required, though, otherwise the attack is considered a backstab, and that not only has consequences in this game, a known backstabber might find it difficult to find allies in future games, too.
Of course, ending the NAP works both ways. If a race chooses to end the NAP, then they are inviting hostile action from the race(s) they are ending the NAP with, and if the single race they are ending the NAP with publish the fact to all races, then other races might be inclined to end the NAP with the race ending the NAP with one opponent. The NAP should not be ended unless the race ending the NAP is ready and willing to engage in war against their neighbours.
Med venlig hilsen / Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Christian Ræbild / Christian Raebild
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Re: Vanilla Game (Almost): All Quiet II |
Fri, 13 February 2009 14:41 |
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vonKreedon | | Lieutenant | Messages: 610
Registered: March 2003 Location: Seattle, WA USA | |
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Velvet and Mark, how well does it work for you in other games when you popdrop on an NAP partner and then say, "Hey, you should have put up an orbital. If you don't put up an orbital you're being agressive, so it's not me who violated the NAP, it's you."
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Re: Vanilla Game (Almost): All Quiet II |
Fri, 13 February 2009 14:41 |
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craebild | | Lieutenant | Messages: 568
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TheShadow7478 wrote on Fri, 13 February 2009 20:33 | What is considered a legitimate claim to the planet in this game? any pop on it, 2.5k, 25k, or an orbital defense of some kind (fort, dock etc..)?
Inquiring minds want to know...
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I would like opinions on that question, too. However, any population is usually considered a claim - The difference in this game is that popdropping a planet is a violation of the NAP, in most games it is just an attack, and might be considered a legitimate attack (except by the victim).
Med venlig hilsen / Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Christian Ræbild / Christian Raebild
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Re: Vanilla Game (Almost): All Quiet II |
Fri, 13 February 2009 14:53 |
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vonKreedon | | Lieutenant | Messages: 610
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Well, imagine that you've agreed to an NAP with a 2 year exit clause with a race that turns out to be a 3i HE. How would you expect your NAP partner to react when you start popdropping on his colonies?
Myself, I would negotiate a border with the HE, and if that did not occur to my satisfaction I'd invoke the quite short 2 year exit clause and send popdrop packages on the way to arrive in three years.
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Re: Vanilla Game (Almost): All Quiet II |
Fri, 13 February 2009 15:42 |
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vonKreedon | | Lieutenant | Messages: 610
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I'd really like to vote for "Any population" rather than "2.5K population"
On Edit: Thanks for the update Mark.
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