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neilhoward wrote on Sat, 11 October 2008 18:06

I would like to play as the Ptolemy.

This has potential to get a little confusing..

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Shadow Whist wrote on Sun, 12 October 2008 21:16

neilhoward wrote on Sat, 11 October 2008 18:06 I would like to play as the Ptolemy. This has potential to get a little confusing..

Our awesome (yet absent since July) mod has adopted the other Ptolemy as his avatar. I want to play as Ptolemy the First - half brother to the Megas, student of Aristotle, sponsor of Euclid, founder of Alexandria, and Savior of the Rhodians.

The later Ptolemy was a Roman citizen of Greek descent living in Egypt more than 360 years after Ptolemy I Soter. Claudius is remembered for his modernization of Mathematics and Astronomy.

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Player list: Those with a
race in
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.. Player ......... Character
1. Micha .......... Olympias
2. Wizard ......... Demetrius
3. Shadow Whist ... Pyrrhus
4. AlexTheGreat ... Eumenes
5. Steve .......... Phillip III
6. neilhoward ..... Ptolemy
7. Combat ......... Cleitos
8. NeoGrendal ..... Peucestas
9. Dashiva ........ Cassander
10. Thieflord ..... Ceraunus

Get your races in soon - lets say next weds as the deadline!

[Updated on: Sun, 19 October 2008 06:41]

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I emailed my file to Joseph yesterday. I will send it in a PM now.

[Updated on: Fri, 17 October 2008 15:45]

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neogrendal wrote on Fri, 17 October 2008 14:33

I emailed my file to Joseph yesterday. I will send it in a PM now.

Joseph's email may have been bad because I sent my file in earlier in the week.
Steve

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Steve wrote on Fri, 17 October 2008 15:55

neogrendal wrote on Fri, 17 October 2008 14:33 I emailed my file to Joseph yesterday. I will send it in a PM now. Joseph's email may have been bad because I sent my file in earlier in the week. Steve

Hmm, I checked the email address posted earlier & it's the one I'm using - i.e. josephgliddon at hotmail dot com.

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Question regarding this game and the history from the 1st Diadochi war

How did it turn out, what races played, how many players played
Who and what race won?
Any players in the first game in the second?

Just interested to see what happenned

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ThiefLord wrote on Sat, 18 October 2008 18:53

Question regarding this game and the history from the 1st Diadochi war How did it turn out, what races played, how many players played Who and what race won? Any players in the first game in the second? Just interested to see what happenned

16 players. Ptolemy won by player vote in 2502. They ended up as follows:

Character PRT Planets Escorts Capital Techs Resources Score Rank
Ptolemy . JOAT . 120 .. 6471 .. 1640 . 141 .. 178k .. 8381 .. 1
Cleitos .. CA ... 96 .. 3324 ... 708 . 139 .. 144k .. 6864 .. 2
Seleucos.. SD ... 43 .. 5386 ... 507 . 121 ... 96k .. 4334 .. 3
Eumenes .. AR ... 46 .. 3770 .. 1150 . 141 ... 87k .. 4187 .. 4
Alex V ... WM ... 58 .. 3904 ... 244 . 116 ... 75k .. 3756 .. 5
Leonnadis. SD ... 41 .. 3628 ... 206 . 119 ... 79k .. 3628 .. 6
Philip 3 . AR ... 62 .... 47 ..... 4 . 114 ... 63k .. 3102 .. 7
Antipater2 WM ... 42 ... 356 ... 135 . 107 ... 38k .. 2146 .. 8
Olympias . SS ... 18 ... 289 .... 80 . 118 ... 32k .. 1754 .. 9
Antigonos. AR ... 20 .. 1029 ... 371 . 124 ... 24k .. 1507 . 10
Pyrrhus .. AR ... 11 ... 491 ... 279 . 115 ... 11k ... 913 . 11
Perdiccas IS-f ... 5 ... 130 ..... 0 .. 76 .... 8k ... 502 . 12
Roxana .. JOAT ... 7 .... 65 ..... 4 .. 87 .... 4k ... 437 . 13
Lysimachos JOAT .. 1`..... 0 ..... 0 . 119 .... 2k ... 421 . 14
Alcetas . IS-f ... DEAD
Craterus . SS .... DEAD

Note that JOATs & CAs were not penalised but they are in Diadochi 2.

Important Events:

MEGA-ALLIANCE: In approx. 2415 Ptolemy & Alcetas went to war over an outpost. Eumenes & Cleitos were also under threat by Alcetas & a 3-member alliance was born with the specific goal of removing Alcetas. Some time in the 20s or 30s (can't remember exactly when) Seleucos joined the alliance & this mega-alliance pretty much decided the game. In the early/mid 80s that alliance was disolved to try & increase interest for the other players. The fact that the mega-alliance contained the only CA in the game boosted the economies of the other alliance members enormously. The 3rd place finish for Seleucos was pretty lucky since the LL & R alliance had picked them as their target &, since Seleucos had all expensive techs relied on the other alliance members to remain competitive.

Leonnadis, Lysimachos & Roxana were a fairly strong alliance as well but struggled to keep up & when Roxana was backstabbed by one of the smaller races (late 60s/early 70s?) by gating in warships when the 2 races were set as friends not only decimated Roxana but resulted in Leonnadis & Lysimachos being forced to divert forces to defend Roxana. Lysimachos finally gave up in the mid-80s & Leonnadis/Ptolemy formed an uneasy alliance to divide up the Thracian (Lysimachos) empire. Lysimachos had been ranked #5 IIRC.

Antigonos/Pyrrus were both AR but were isolated together with their only neighbours being Eumenes & Cleitos & the races appeared to be developing reasonably well when Cleitos turned on them. Cleitos was too strong & their starbase-based pop plummeted. Antigonos & Pyrrhus were forced into servitude to avoid destruction.

Cleitos led for most of the game & Ptolemy only took the lead in the last 5 or so years.

Steve & I played. Joseph (our host) also played.

[Updated on: Sat, 18 October 2008 22:23]

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Can you please explain more about the backstab rules.
ie:
Can you please give another example of the method, looking at the formula, I am confused, but numbers do that to me .

formula is: ((a+b+c+alliance size)/4)% where a=6,b=4,c=2

I see the formula, but what is it compared to to determine if it is triggered?

How is Alliance size determined?

What determines an alliance (friend status, do we formally declare alliances, what about NAPS, what about Neutral status?)

Is there a grace period after 1 backstab to the next within the effected alliance or can 1 alliance be decimated by BS after BS after BS?

what is "backstab should be substantial" (kill some mines, bomb 1 planet, explode some mines, Kill a Fort, or gates into 10 AR US's worlds and kills them all.

BSee is determined by rank, but public scores not on till yr 2480. BS Calc starts in 2440, So does that mean the host needs to check every file every year to do the calc?

Idea:
Once the backstab is done, would be interesting to have the fact declared to all and what was done
(ie: told in yr to BS player X, initiated BS in Yr X, killed X ships, X planets bombed, X pop killed.)

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ThiefLord wrote on Sun, 19 October 2008 10:16

Can you please explain more about the backstab rules. ie: Can you please give another example of the method, looking at the formula, I am confused, but numbers do that to me . formula is: ((a+b+c+alliance size)/4)% where a=6,b=4,c=2 I see the formula, but what is it compared to to determine if it is triggered?

It is compared to a random number between, say, 1 to 400 (since the % chance is a multiple of 1/4%). This can be achieved easily enough using the RAND() function in Excel.

See the end of this post for a table showing % chances.

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How is Alliance size determined? What determines an alliance (friend status, do we formally declare alliances, what about NAPS, what about Neutral status?)

I'm glad you asked that since this was a bone of contention in the original Diadochi Wars - i.e. what defined an ally?

For the purpose of this game any player setting someone else to "friend" recognises that someone as an ally.

Now that I think about it, there is also a possible loophole whereby 2 players change their relationship in order to muck about with the alliance size so I think we need an extra rule (pity, too many rules are not good) to disallow alliance changes between 2 players more often than once per 10 years.

Opinions?

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Is there a grace period after 1 backstab to the next within the effected alliance or can 1 alliance be decimated by BS after BS after BS?

No grace period. Remember tho that only the highest ranking member of an alliance can be backstabed & that the backstaber & backstabee must be set to enemy for a minimum period of 10 years afterwards.

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what is "backstab should be substantial" (kill some mines, bomb 1 planet, explode some mines, Kill a Fort, or gates into 10 AR US's worlds and kills them all.

It should involve at least a serious attempt to take a planet but the bigger the better & there is no maximum.

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BSee is determined by rank, but public scores not on till yr 2480. BS Calc starts in 2440, So does that mean the host needs to check every file every year to do the calc?

Yes. I'll create a little spreadsheet for the purpose so that Joseph just needs to maintain alliances & open it each year where it will state what backstab (if any) is to be undertaken & who is to undertake it.

BTW the starting year was changed from 2440 to 2450 in an earlier post.

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Idea: Once the backstab is done, would be interesting to have the fact declared to all and what was done (ie: told in yr to BS player X, initiated BS in Yr X, killed X ships, X planets bombed, X pop killed.)

I think it best to leave this to the players. There's nothing to stop anyone privy to the info from announcing it or telling other selected players (once the backstab has occured - before that the backstaber is banned from telling the backstabee & probably should keep it secret from any other player they don't trust).

If the size of backstab were announced by the host it could be tantamount to an invitation for the wolves to dine.

% Chance of a backstab

Since we have 11 players a, b & c (Players ranked #1, #2 & #3) are all included in the formula: ((a+b+c+alliance size)/4)%

Alliance Includes ......... % Chance
Player Ranked .......... Alliance Size
#1 .. #2 .. #3 .......... 4 .. 3 .. 2
Yes . Yes . Yes ....... 4.00 3.75 N/A
Yes . Yes . No ........ 3.50 3.25 3.00
Yes . No .. Yes ....... 3.00 2.75 2.50
Yes . No .. No ........ 2.50 2.25 2.00
No .. Yes . Yes ....... 2.50 2.25 2.00
No .. Yes . No ........ 2.00 1.75 1.50
No .. No .. Yes ....... 1.50 1.25 1.00
No .. No .. No ........ 1.00 0.75 0.50

[Updated on: Sun, 19 October 2008 12:00]

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