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The attacker has the advantage in ground combat.

110% to be precise.

So: 594 - (237*1.1) = 333.

Assuming there were zero defenses present.

And of course, nowhere in the helpfile is this explained.

For War Monger the advantage is 120% IIRC.

Inner Strength get a "defense multiplier" too, of about 120% too, if memory serves.

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Do you have the links?

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m.a@stars wrote on Tue, 29 July 2008 16:27

Do you have the links?

This one?

mch

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AlexTheGreat wrote on Tue, 29 July 2008 10:35

so I built a base worth 322 (allowing my 10% margin)

That 10% margin is extremely important for games running on AH. If you calculate the costs of an item to the last digit an put the item in the production queue with exactly the right output, you'll (most of the time) NOT get it finished in the next turn . It will be in queue, built to 9x%.

BR, Iztok

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iztok wrote on Tue, 29 July 2008 18:30

If you calculate the costs of an item to the last digit an put the item in the production queue with exactly the right output, you'll (most of the time) NOT get it finished in the next turn . It will be in queue, built to 9x%. BR, Iztok

Why is that?

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neilhoward wrote on Wed, 30 July 2008 06:03

iztok wrote on Tue, 29 July 2008 18:30 If you calculate the costs of an item to the last digit an put the item in the production queue with exactly the right output, you'll (most of the time) NOT get it finished in the next turn . It will be in queue, built to 9x%. BR, Iztok Why is that?

Little chance to regen if something unexpected happens?

While it's not the build Q, I could scream at the number of times I've failed to achieve a tech-target because of some stupid random event ... or not so random enemy action (but still stupid, dammit ).

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Micha wrote on Tue, 29 July 2008 16:31

Quote: Do you have the links? This one?

Pretty interesting explanation & figures. Certainly more complete than the "defends better" attribute of the official helpfile.

So, to summarize, my memory wasn't exact (I need to play more War Mongers) and Alex needs to play less Inner Strength.

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neilhoward wrote on Tue, 29 July 2008 22:33

iztok wrote on Tue, 29 July 2008 18:30 If you calculate the costs of an item to the last digit an put the item in the production queue with exactly the right output, you'll (most of the time) NOT get it finished in the next turn . It will be in queue, built to 9x%. Why is that?

From what I've seen:

you don't know exactly how much pop there is in alien planets.

there are rounding errors too in the production queue.

Murphy's law.

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m.a@stars[/email] wrote on Wed, 30 July 2008 15:19]So, to summarize, my memory wasn't exact (I need to play more War Mongers) and Alex needs to play less Inner Strength.

Once is too many? I've tried to play a different PRT every game so far - not looking forward to it when PP comes by tho

m.a@stars wrote on Wed, 30 July 2008 15:22

neilhoward wrote on Tue, 29 July 2008 22:33 iztok wrote on Tue, 29 July 2008 18:30 If you calculate the costs of an item to the last digit an put the item in the production queue with exactly the right output, you'll (most of the time) NOT get it finished in the next turn . It will be in queue, built to 9x%. Why is that? From what I've seen: you don't know exactly how much pop there is in alien planets. there are rounding errors too in the production queue. Murphy's law.

I've always suspected that tech advances had an effect but it's just an observation from the few times it has affected me. It could be when you pick up a tech level thru exchange? Yes I know, that should reduce the cost of ships in the Q if the tech advance happens first (wp0 pop-drop & scrapping) but ...

IIRC it's always been a base that was incomplete in my case. Anyone seen it happen with ships?

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AlexTheGreat wrote on Thu, 31 July 2008 01:23

Once is too many? I've tried to play a different PRT every game so far - not looking forward to it when PP comes by tho

Well, since you got the popdrop advantages the wrong way around...

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I've always suspected that tech advances had an effect but it's just an observation from the few times it has affected me. It could be when you pick up a tech level thru exchange? Yes I know, that should reduce the cost of ships in the Q if the tech advance happens first (wp0 pop-drop & scrapping) but ... IIRC it's always been a base that was incomplete in my case. Anyone seen it happen with ships?

Tech reduces costs, but only for Qs processed *after* that tech is gained. Shouldn't matter here.

And yes, I've seen it happen with a Dock, but can't remember if ships/factories/mines/others suffered it too. Pretty hard to testbed, even.

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LEit wrote on Thu, 31 July 2008 17:10

I think there is a rounding issue. It also happens with fuel if you calculate the fuel usage. It's never a large amount.

I should hope it doesn't happen if you use my Fuel Usage formulas, does it?

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LEit wrote on Tue, 05 August 2008 17:17

I used the numbers that Stars! displays for usage. I havn't tried calculating the usage on my own or with any other calculator.

And you would be nuts if you did otherwise! I can't imagine verifying each and every travel my ships make with an extra calculation! In all the years I played Stars! I saw it only happen once (in a teammates turn) that a fleet got stuck because of just not enough fuel. Maybe Stars! is wrong more often and that was the only occasion of such importance that it was noticed ...
Also cutting it close in fuel usually only happens in the early years ... and since that one event I always leave a few mg more in my fuel tanks for important missions ...

mch

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Micha wrote on Tue, 05 August 2008 22:19

And you would be nuts if you did otherwise!

Of course, but every little optimization helps, particularly in multi-hop trips, or whenever you travel the max distance allowed per your speed, where Stars! fuel usage display is *always* notoriously wrong.

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I can't imagine verifying each and every travel my ships make with an extra calculation!

You don't usually need to. Stars! mostly errs on the side of caution, i.e. it says more fuel will be used than is actually used.

But LEit was worried about rounding issues. Far as I know, these don't happen in the way fuel is actually used, but only in the way usage is displayed/predicted. And for actual fuel usage my math is exact.

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