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New tool: Terra-Hab ally comparison and gain in planet value

Wed, 23 July 2008 16:15

perrindom

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A new tool is available. Short decription:
Click a button and automatically your and your allies p-files get loaded, sorted and a hab-value-comparison of the planets will be calculated for you and/or your allies (extremely helpful in alliances and much easier to use than the other tools I know). Additionally see how much improvement 1-10 units of terraforming gives you and several other features.

Links:
Gible's wiki: http://wiki.gible.net/index.php?title=Utilities/Calculators# Per.27s_Terra-Hab-Tool

Altruist's page: http://stars.arglos.net/download/Pers-terra-hab-tool_v1.03.z ip

Bugs, improvement suggestions and comments of all sorts are welcome. It does contain excel macros but if your Excel has set a too high security level (and you don't to lower it), you can do the macros' job manually.

/Per

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Re: New tool: Terra-Hab ally comparison and gain in planet value

Wed, 23 July 2008 17:24

Micha

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No AR gimmicks? Smile

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Re: New tool: Terra-Hab ally comparison and gain in planet value

Wed, 23 July 2008 18:24

m.a@stars

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perrindom wrote on Wed, 23 July 2008 22:15

Click a button and automatically your and your allies p-files get loaded, sorted and a hab-value-comparison of the planets will be calculated for you and/or your allies (extremely helpful in alliances and much easier to use than the other tools I know). Additionally see how much improvement 1-10 units of terraforming gives you and several other features.

Ahh, yes, the "automagically" part is where your tool will be better than mine. Twisted Evil

I trust you'll be using the exact hab calculation math? Sherlock

A suggestion: can the planets be sorted by distance to each race's Homeworlds? Teleport

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Re: New tool: Terra-Hab ally comparison and gain in planet value

Thu, 24 July 2008 16:56

perrindom

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> Ahh, yes, the "automagically" part is where your tool will be better than mine. Twisted Evil

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I didn't know you'd made a similar tool.

>I trust you'll be using the exact hab calculation math? Sherlock

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Same as Posey's spreadsheet

> A suggestion: can the planets be sorted by distance to each race's Homeworlds? Teleport

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When you become first in the world to warp a 2d map to nicely fit into a single dimension, I'll consider it Rolling Eyes

I did consider it, but since it will make finding planets in the list very annoying I discarded the idea.

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Re: New tool: Terra-Hab ally comparison and gain in planet value

Fri, 25 July 2008 10:13

m.a@stars

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perrindom wrote on Thu, 24 July 2008 22:56

> Ahh, yes, the "automagically" part is where your tool will be better than mine. Twisted Evil

>
I didn't know you'd made a similar tool.

I've used some scripts to the same effect for my team games, including nicely tabulated html output. Unfortunately I need to load all files by hand every time... Confused

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>I trust you'll be using the exact hab calculation math? Sherlock

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Same as Posey's spreadsheet

Almost, but not quite exact, I'm afraid. I'd recommend you use the real hab math, found among other places in: The Academy -> Planet value calculation made easy! Cool

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> A suggestion: can the planets be sorted by distance to each race's Homeworlds? Teleport

>
When you become first in the world to warp a 2d map to nicely fit into a single dimension, I'll consider it Rolling Eyes

I did consider it, but since it will make finding planets in the list very annoying I discarded the idea.

Ugh. Forget sorting then. But I display distances to Homeworlds to help diagnose who can get earlier and with better benefit to some places. Twisted Evil

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Re: New tool: Terra-Hab ally comparison and gain in planet value

Sun, 03 August 2008 05:32

perrindom

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m.a@stars wrote on Fri, 25 July 2008 16:13

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>I trust you'll be using the exact hab calculation math? Sherlock

>
Same as Posey's spreadsheet

Almost, but not quite exact, I'm afraid. I'd recommend you use the real hab math

I don't find it worth it since I have never spotted an error bigger than 1% (but I could be wrong). Besides, the input data in form of the p-file is the biggest source of errors due to the dubvious values of low gravity.

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Re: New tool: Terra-Hab ally comparison and gain in planet value

Sun, 03 August 2008 05:39

perrindom

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Micha wrote on Wed, 23 July 2008 23:24

No AR gimmicks? Smile

mch

eerr no, I should do it if I find the time for it. But as I the AR problem it is very complex, probably up to about enery level 15. What is best: to slightly improve a single planet or to contribute to get higher energy for the benefit of all planets? It takes some hefty matrix calculations and intergrals - knowledge I all too happily have discarded since shcool days. If anything I'll only do the single planet payback time.

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Re: New tool: Terra-Hab ally comparison and gain in planet value

Wed, 06 August 2008 04:43

m.a@stars

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perrindom wrote on Sun, 03 August 2008 11:32

I don't find it worth it since I have never spotted an error bigger than 1% (but I could be wrong).

Every little point helps, for instance if you're predicting who will be able to extract more minerals in the long run. Twisted Evil

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Besides, the input data in form of the p-file is the biggest source of errors due to the dubvious values of low gravity.

For the few affected planets you can always check if the calculated hab matches the reported hab and toggle your guess of the real Grav value accordingly. Voila 100% accuracy. Very Happy

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Re: New tool: Terra-Hab ally comparison and gain in planet value

Wed, 06 August 2008 04:47

m.a@stars

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perrindom wrote on Sun, 03 August 2008 11:39

What is best: to slightly improve a single planet or to contribute to get higher energy for the benefit of all planets? It takes some hefty matrix calculations and intergrals

Perhaps you could just plot the curves and let the user decide which one suits him/her best? Sherlock

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Re: New tool: Terra-Hab ally comparison and gain in planet value

Sat, 09 August 2008 13:50

Altruist

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Great tool!

I know Per originally made it mainyl for different purposes but I use it mostly for:
* put together p-files of all members of the alliance
* to see what planet can be used best by whom
* if I am in the mood for some MM, I look up what planet to terraform by how much and where to use ressources rather for research than terraforming

The last improvement, importing p-files by just a click within the excel-sheets, makes it faster and more userfriendly.

Thanks, Per.

I know that Alex the Great made a similar tool for the Babylon game but I must admit that I've never really understood how to use it... Per's tool even I can use!

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Re: New tool: Terra-Hab ally comparison and gain in planet value

Mon, 11 August 2008 11:29

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Altruist wrote on Sat, 09 August 2008 13:50

I know that Alex the Great made a similar tool for the Babylon game but I must admit that I've never really understood how to use it... Per's tool even I can use!

Yes, I've been meaning to automate my "Hab Analysis" but haven't got around to it.

Mine works very well but it requires a few manual steps.

I haven't checked out Per's one yet but I will.

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