| I want to be the solution |
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| neilhoward | 
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I have seen allot of ca banning and even more bawwwwing about ca, and diverse suggestions about ca handicaps.
I have read that ca can achieve upto 400k by y50. But I have not been able to reproduce it in a testbed. My best is 78k w ability to produce 32 arm bb/y w bmm, abbs, and prescan. Or 57k & 26armbb/y w/o prescan. Or 48k & 12-16armbb/y w/o bmm, abbs, prescan, & with 2x rob, cyb, mac, 1x tou, aut, rot all expert and lsp and nrse
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I want to play against an advanced player who knows how to use ca prt. If you can break 100kres @ y50 I want to play you one on one.
I want to test some races and more importantly play styles, to see if I can be competitive.
Any advice for a newb greatly appreciated.
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| Re: I want to be the solution |
Fri, 25 April 2008 19:22  |
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The most I've heard of was 137K(?) by JC using an essentially broken race designed specifically for this purpose.
At that extreme this race possibly falls into the quantity having a quality all of its own category and may be playable.
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| Re: I want to be the solution |
Fri, 25 April 2008 20:41 |
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However, I have never heard of anybody hitting that 137k in a small/normal universe. I believe that universe was packed so, many more stars, close together.
I have never actually created a race simply to see how much the theoritical maximum would be. A CA would be the best to do it with or a highest growth tri-immune HE with some basic econ.
Ptolemy
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| Re: I want to be the solution |
Fri, 25 April 2008 22:49 |
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| neilhoward |
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What is the greatest econ race?
Say around y35 my scouts hit the edge of space controlled by someone w/ 200% my res. Unless I am an rs ce wm it will take ~10y to get ship prod into full swing. Either way, between research, production, and travel time I am at 1/4 their production power by the time I start impacting their economic growth. And that is just to slow their growth rate! Bombers and pop drops take a bit longer. I have tried using isb and building gate busters including 1bomb minibombers, but it still seems as though I am outclassed in tech or overwhelmed in numbers by the time I reach their core so that my second or third wave is almost a waste. But every time I streamline my methods a bit more. Eventually I will be tearing up the pussyass combo that is ca.
Thanks for your replies.
Emoticons are ghey like an ungaro spring frock.
Just because we are playing a game from 1994 doesn't mean we need to act like it is 1992.
If you can 100k/y50 and want to play, pm.
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| Re: I want to be the solution |
Fri, 25 April 2008 22:53 |
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| neilhoward |
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| Ptolemy wrote on Fri, 25 April 2008 20:41 |
However, I have never heard of anybody hitting that 137k in a small/normal universe. I believe that universe was packed so, many more stars, close together.
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Sauce yo.
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| Re: I want to be the solution |
Fri, 25 April 2008 23:42 |
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Before you make another post, I suggest you create a game in a small / normal universe with 5 expert AI's and check the box that allows the AI's to be allies. I'll be surprised if you hit 25k resources after 50 turns.
When I create races, I use the 25k as a benchmark but that can change depending on the universe size, density and number of players. I NEVER create a race without expert AI's to force construction of defenses and attack ships. Anybody can move population around.
Creating a few battleships with high tech is easy in an empty packed universe.
If you want to play a CA duel, I'll accomodate you. The uiverse size will be tiny / normal. We will do the turns as fast as e-mail can send them. I will host the game. The game will be over before 50 turns are completed - since I can do any given turn in about 5 minutes, let's say 10 minutes per turn with mail time. The game will take about 6 hours or less. I GUARANTEE - neither one of us will have the opportunity to reach 25k resources.
I am also the Moderator of this forum that has removed the abusive text from your last two messages.
Regards,
Ptolemy
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| Re: I want to be the solution |
Sat, 26 April 2008 02:49 |
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| neilhoward |
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Mod edit: this kind of language will not be tolerated. If you are serious please refrain from these racistic and abusive comments.
mch,
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| Re: I want to be the solution |
Sat, 26 April 2008 03:21 |
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| neilhoward wrote on Sat, 26 April 2008 02:49 |
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I vote we ban this guy. We cannot tolerate racists & generally abusive people in this forum.
Note that I refrained from flaming him tho I was sorely tempted!
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| Re: I want to be the solution |
Sat, 26 April 2008 03:49 |
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| neilhoward |
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i do apologize for my comment about fins. i assumed this was a forum for adults, and as such my comment would have been seen as an informed parody rather than racism.
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If no one here can demonstrate an ability to achieve >100k by y50 then I am not interested in this forum
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| Re: I want to be the solution |
Sat, 26 April 2008 04:07 |
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| neilhoward |
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| Ptolemy wrote on Fri, 25 April 2008 23:42 |
Before you make another post, I suggest you create a game in a small / normal universe with 5 expert AI's and check the box that allows the AI's to be allies. I'll be surprised if you hit 25k resources after 50 turns.
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fun exercise. i took you advice but I couldn't decide which five so i took six expert ai opponents, one of each. it is 2413, i am bombing three of their hws, sweeping the ar w scouts, and using modified colonizers to popdrop the he out of existence. Btw this is w/ alliances, slow tech advance, no abb no bmm, with nrse ce lsp and 150 left over rwp.
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| Re: I want to be the solution |
Sat, 26 April 2008 04:50 |
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It will be of no use to ban the user. It is obviusly a new ID and, as moderator of the forum, I don't have the abilty to ban a user anyway. However, I can delete the entire thread.
So, I thank Micha, Alex and m.a. for trying to make reasonable and helpfull respones to the posts. I will wait 12 hours and delete the entire thread. I see no point in wasting Autohost bytes keeping an archive of this. The only value I see in the thread is what the potential maximum resources can be reached in 50 turns with any given race, but, since no game will ever match the test benchmark, even that is not so important.
Time tick now is 08:46 GMT. I will delete this entire thread around 20:46 GMT - give or take a half hour or so.
Everyone is certainly free to simply select 'ignore this user' for 'neilhoward' 's posts. I will monitor the forum over the next few months with extra diligence and checks to prevent more abuse.
My apologies to all that AH has been so invaded. It is not the first time though.
I am now locking this topic to prevent aditional posts.
Regards to all
Ptolemy
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