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| New game: Underdogs |
Sun, 10 June 2007 06:45  |
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Location: Aachen, Germany | |
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Hi all,
I am back from holidays, and it's time to start a new game for you. It bases on some of my older games and adds PRT restrictions. In the last few games I have hosted and played, the games were dominated by the Econ-based PRTs. Thus, this is a game for the underdogs (AR, PP, SS, HE; WM and SD with restrictions)
# of players: up to 8
Skill level: Intermediate and above
Ranked: No
Version: 2.6/2.7j rc3/4
Autohost: Yes
Turns generated: 24 hours up to year 2430, then 48 hours. Weekends off. If you need a pause, just ask the host.
Host is playing: No
Universe size: Medium Normal, Distant Starting Positions
Starting conditions: ACC BBS
Victory conditions: Last Man/Last Team standing or consensus
Restrictions:
- no cheats (except chaff and split-fleet dodge)
- no pregame alliances
Special Rules:
Germ starting concentration will be between 50 and 80.
Everyone has to be set to enemy except one ally. The ally can be changed once every 10 years. Tech exchange between enemies is not allowed (I'll be watching!).
PRTs forbidden: CA, JOAT, IT, IS
Handicaps: SD must put 150 points to defenses, WM must put 50 points to defenses.
If you are interested, please send a race file, the password and your desired email address to me at andreas (at) studnitz (dot) de. First come, first serve.
The game is intended to start in about 2-3 weeks.
Andreas / wizard
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| Re: New game: Underdogs |
Thu, 14 June 2007 00:11  |
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Heh, there's been a 3i HE in every non-duel I've played where it was allowed. I've never seen one lose their first war either. But then that's quite a small sample of games.
In my opinion/experience a 6% HE is one of the races that is capable of fighting very early in the game. Not as well as -f can, of course, but I wouldn't consider it a soft target. But I didn't mean to turn this into a HE discussion 
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| Re: New game: Underdogs |
Thu, 14 June 2007 02:24 |
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| wizard |
| Officer Cadet 3rd Year |
Messages: 279
Registered: January 2004
Location: Aachen, Germany | |
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Okay, we have two players now:
Taka Tuka (Race sent)
DenHam
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| Re: New game: Underdogs |
Thu, 14 June 2007 12:17 |
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| wizard wrote on Sun, 10 June 2007 06:45 |
Handicaps: SD must put 150 points to defenses, WM must put 50 points to defenses.
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These handicaps don't make sense. I have played SD races several times. While they are fun to play, they are very weak even in comparison to the other underdog races and even 50 is a lot of points. 150 points is enough to make a CA race compatable with an SS race.
If it was up to me, I would get rid of the points, although I am not planning to play either race.
The Universe is usually not fair.
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| Re: New game: Underdogs |
Thu, 14 June 2007 16:55 |
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| wizard |
| Officer Cadet 3rd Year |
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| DenHam wrote on Thu, 14 June 2007 18:17 |
| wizard wrote on Sun, 10 June 2007 06:45 |
Handicaps: SD must put 150 points to defenses, WM must put 50 points to defenses.
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These handicaps don't make sense. I have played SD races several times. While they are fun to play, they are very weak even in comparison to the other underdog races and even 50 is a lot of points. 150 points is enough to make a CA race compatable with an SS race.
If it was up to me, I would get rid of the points, although I am not planning to play either race.
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SD has lots more leftover points at the beginning of the race creation than every other race. Plus, they don't have any weaknesses, and they are very strong. In my experience, they have been the only ones to keep up with the econ races. Thus, 150 points are fair. We could debate about just 100, but I won't accept less in any case.
CA with 150 points penalty is still very strong and usually much stronger than SS if played well. I have seen this in more than one of the last games I have hosted / played (i.e. BusyW).
Andreas / wizard
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| Re: New game: Underdogs |
Sun, 17 June 2007 21:24 |
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Yes, two small packed with 9 player each. Currently on turn 23 and 7 respectively.
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I think results based on historical handicaps give us a yardstick.
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Not having played multi-player before I got most of my information from reading these boards and the old news group articles.
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I am hosting a current game that is coming to the end. I only could fit 16 players in my game and had no restrictions on races except CA had 110 point pentalty and JOAT had a 55 point penalty (NAS allowed). These are the known race breakdowns:
CA (110 point penalty): 0
JOAT (55 point penalty): 1 (-f race)
IS: 4
IT: 5
SS: 2
AR: 1
Unknown: 3 (I am playing in the game which is why I don't know a few of these races)
There were quite a few very good players in this game. The ISs and the ITs dominated the game
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I definately underestimated the strength of IS (mostly because I've never played one before) and will add a small penalty to them next time. I will reduce the penalty to IT a little but leave the no IFE trait as a handicap. I played mostly IT for a long time and know well what they are capable of.
I want to encourage people to try all the races, and give everyone race a fighting chance if played well. SD appears unpopular, while most likely underated, I am going to reduce the penalty a little in the hopes someone will pick it.
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| Re: New game: Underdogs |
Mon, 18 June 2007 03:07 |
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[quote title=Traveller wrote on Sun, 17 June 2007 21:24]| Quote: |
I definately underestimated the strength of IS (mostly because I've never played one before) and will add a small penalty to them next time. I will reduce the penalty to IT a little but leave the no IFE trait as a handicap. I played mostly IT for a long time and know well what they are capable of.
I want to encourage people to try all the races, and give everyone race a fighting chance if played well. SD appears unpopular, while most likely underated, I am going to reduce the penalty a little in the hopes someone will pick it.
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I recently hosted Diadochi Wars in which IT & PP (dual HW races) were banned. In that no penalties at all were set but stars were in concentrated clusters (that I called "cities" since the scenario was set in ancient Macedonia). These cities contained 14-25 stars and were 250-400ly distant with little between. Just explaining that in case you're looking for justification of the race mix.
The player populations was mixed but included ony 3 that I would class as beginners. The race mix was:
AR:4, JOAT:3, IS:2(both -f), SD:2, SS:2, WM:2, CA:1, HE:0
The top 10 finished up as:
1.JOAT, 2.CA, 3.SD, 4.AR, 5.WM, 6.SD, 7.AR, 8.WM, 9.SS, 10.AR
So as you can see SDs can be competitive. In my next game I ended up choosing IS but only after some serious thought about SD (no penalties applied in that one either).
IMO IT is the 2nd most powerful PRT & I think that penalties in an unrestricted game (PRT wise) should be along the line of:
CA:200 or 100+no TT, IT:120, JOAT:100 or no NAS, IS:50, others:0
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| Re: New game: Underdogs |
Tue, 19 June 2007 09:03 |
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Hi,
I am interrested in this game If the settings are keeped , maybe a smaller univers . So you can count me in .
ccmaster
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| Re: New game: Underdogs |
Sat, 23 June 2007 04:06 |
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Count me in Wizard - I've been looking for a new game. Will send the race ASAP
Ptolemy
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| Re: New game: Underdogs |
Sat, 23 June 2007 17:29 |
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Turn ?
Have I missed something ?
Have no turn yet , you mean Race Files or ?
ccmaster
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