I know this is taboo, but I have no idea what I did with my copy of Stars! and wondering if someone has a key/crack I could use. The ones I got from google aren't working

Cheers,

DMcD

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D_Mc_D wrote on Mon, 28 May 2007 16:44

I read about the serials before I posted, but I was hoping someone would help me and I wouldn't have to pay blood money for illegal serials. If he wants money for the site, he should ask for donations from the regulars. If he wants to stop cheaters he should make everyone register to play games on autohost. If he wants to help the community then he should give serials away for free for everybody and not hinder access to the game.

I'm an old player thinking about coming back myself, but i didn't lose my old serial (sweeeet!). 6 dollars isn't much and the serial you will get is (afaik) legal in all practical sences of the term.

However you might still hesitate especially if you haven't played for a while, you might want to stop after one game and 6 dollars is after all 6 dollars...

If i were you i would ask around to "loan" a serial, by reading the postings i've noticed that many of the regulars have some serials in reserve in case someone might need it. So if you ask nicely you might loan one. Another way to get those "temporary" serials is to look around for them on the web, they're not that difficult to find if you know where to look

After a couple of games and the assurance that your "crave for stars!" isn't ephemeral you might find yourself more enclined to invest 6 dollars into your very own serial. By getting your very own serial you will minimize the chances of playing with another player with the same "loan" serial as you.

Well good luck with that, it's back to studying how to get my race to produce 25 k by turn 50 so i can join a game in the near future.

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I never had the patience for playing against other people, someone would always run away with the game, or drop out or what not.

I liked using either ARM/IT or ARM/SS and fighting against 15 Expert HE and then KILL KILL KILL

I bought the game ages ago from Tuomas, who sold it legit. I object to buying from someone because he has a secret keygen, even if he has good intentions, it's still profiteering.

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D_Mc_D wrote on Mon, 28 May 2007 22:44

I read about the serials before I posted, but I was hoping someone would help me and I wouldn't have to pay blood money for illegal serials.

Don't pay for illegal serials, then. Ask Ron, or post to rgcs.

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If he wants money for the site, he should ask for donations from the regulars.

He does that too, and you're on the way to becoming a regular, otherwise why would you need a serial?

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If he wants to stop cheaters he should make everyone register to play games on autohost.

That's a task for each game Host. Ron doesn't decide who signs up to each game, or who gets banned (in their current or future games). Hosts do.

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If he wants to help the community then he should give serials away for free for everybody and not hinder access to the game.

You can play solo (or with a few friends) with googled serials. Ron is not hindering you.

OTOH, Ron provides a reliable source for Patches, utilities, Forums and game hosting for free, and has been doing so for years. If you can do better, I'm all ears.

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D_Mc_D wrote on Tue, 29 May 2007 04:25

I object to buying from someone because he has a secret keygen, even if he has good intentions, it's still profiteering.

No, it isn't, because the publisher was contacted and they didn't object, and the game creators themselves were contacted and said go ahead

You can (at least in theory) find that keygen elsewhere, but then you'd never be sure of avoiding serial problems when playing against other ppl, a service (key uniqueness) that Ron provides too.

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m.a@stars wrote on Tue, 29 May 2007 11:55

You can (at least in theory) find that keygen elsewhere, but then you'd never be sure of avoiding serial problems when playing against other ppl, a service (key uniqueness) that Ron provides too.

To be able to provide this kind of service (key uniqueness) Ron needs a database with every serial that has ever been validly issued, which perhaps the Jeffs could have provided, so that any new serial generated by him can be discarded if it is a duplicate of one already present in the database.

Having this kind of database, he can claim that any serial he issues is legit and legal because in case of any conflict with an identical serial not in the database the other guy is to blame.

Without the database from the Jeffs, he can have his own to make sure he does not issue twice the same serial, but he can not claim uniqueness because he can not discard serials he has no record of. In this case the only service he can provide is a REPLACEMENT offer should conflict with one of his serials occur.

Still, he would not know whether the conflict is against a previously valid serial issued by the Jeffs (unique or one of their abundant rogue duplicates), or against a pirate serial issued by a rogue generator as the one he is using himself now.

So, unless someone tells me wrong (and I'd like to be), Ron provides replaceability (and respectability, yes), not uniqueness.

In fact, NOBODY can offer key uniqueness, ever. Not without a legal and binding NON-DISCLOSURE agreement being signed on purchase of the serial... that is not going to be honored by many anyway.

Tecnically, and only in as far as playing on Autohost is concerned, he can implement, and probably has done so, a few pre-gen checks to make sure no duplicate serials with different machine code hashes enter the same game. But this is merely a service (no doubt a very valuable one) provided by Autohost to avoid hosted games from being spoiled by the use of duplicate serial numbers, no matter what their origin is.

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NingunOtro wrote on Tue, 29 May 2007 15:28

Without the database from the Jeffs, he can have his own to make sure he does not issue twice the same serial, but he can not claim uniqueness because he can not discard serials he has no record of. In this case the only service he can provide is a REPLACEMENT offer should conflict with one of his serials occur.

Which, for all practical purposes, and as far as "his" serials are concerned, is all that matters.

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Of course, REPLACING any conflicting serial he has issued, being "his" serials, is all that matters as far as Ron is concerned.

But you mentioned the service as "(key uniqueness)", which is something completely different and that in no way can be provided by Ron. Key uniqueness is the assurance that no other identical serial can be found around. Obviously, if he has no control over legally issued serials by the Jeffs, nor duplicates of these, and neither can control the existance of fraudulently generated serials by other owners of generators, he can not offer key uniqueness. Not only can he not control duplicates, other than taking care of not issueing any serial number twice, but he WILL eventually generate duplicates of already existing legit (and non-legit, of course) serial numbers, and that is why he HAS to offer replaceability should this occur.

My comment was not meant to be interpreted as a critique to the service Ron offers, which is outstanding and can not be praised enough, but to avoid that people understand the service he can offer wrong because of your inapropiate use of the term "key uniqueness". Just a correction before misinterpretation of your words by others causes any trouble.

Nothing personal against you or anybody else either, just plain logic.

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NingunOtro wrote on Tue, 29 May 2007 21:03

Of course, REPLACING any conflicting serial he has issued, being "his" serials, is all that matters as far as Ron is concerned. But you mentioned the service as "(key uniqueness)", which is something completely different and that in no way can be provided by Ron. Key uniqueness is the assurance that no other identical serial can be found around. Obviously, if he has no control over legally issued serials by the Jeffs, nor duplicates of these, and neither can control the existance of fraudulently generated serials by other owners of generators, he can not offer key uniqueness. Not only can he not control duplicates, other than taking care of not issueing any serial number twice, but he WILL eventually generate duplicates of already existing legit (and non-legit, of course) serial numbers, and that is why he HAS to offer replaceability should this occur. My comment was not meant to be interpreted as a critique to the service Ron offers, which is outstanding and can not be praised enough, but to avoid that people understand the service he can offer wrong because of your inapropiate use of the term "key uniqueness". Just a correction before misinterpretation of your words by others causes any trouble. Nothing personal against you or anybody else either, just plain logic.

Rally against your own interpretation all you want, if that's what makes you happy. No one with at least a hint about how Stars copy-protection or AH works could possibly mistake my description of Ron's valuable (and simple) service, even if you pull them out of context.

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NingunOtro wrote on Wed, 30 May 2007 09:23

It is not those who know, but the rest of the people that can get confused by your wording. If you can not stand being corrected, you have a problem I can not be bothered about. Guess I'll enter silent mode again... untill something coherent can be said without atracting incoherent rants.

What I cannot stand is being incorrectly corrected.

Serials and repeated serials and serial problems and serials au chocolat have been extensively discussed elsewhere in AH and in rgcs for years.

Anyone interested in Stars serials or keygens or in playing Stars itself cannot possibly believe that my terse definition, conveniently written before its handy summarization is the same as your all-encompassing dream of an impossible planetary database of serials, which is NOT my problem, nor this thread's subject, no matter how hard you try to make it so.

Learn to read. It comes before logic, as is logical.

Please go misinterpret someone else's words, or even better, go back to silent mode until you have something coherent to say.

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NingunOtro wrote on Wed, 30 May 2007 15:06

You did not write that much that could be misinterpreted...

Luckily for me, or your "interpretations" would be 3 pages long.

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1) IF keygen elsewhere THEN never sure of avoiding serial problems. You make it look as if the inverse should be true, and it isn't

Only if you're a barracks lawyer.

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IF keygen here THEN sure of avoiding serial problems, is NOT true

What makes you think you can/should extrapolate from "Serials here" to "serials everywhere"? Or even worse, from "unique serials here" to "unique serials everywhere"? Nowhere is Ron hailed as having god-like powers over the whole planet or even the whole subset of Stars players. Yet you want to hammer out a Code of Laws to make damn sure noone in the whole universe gets mistaken.

Tell you what, if anyone with enough endurance to read all this gets confused, it will be thanks to your enjoyable posts affirming there's a possibility of confusion. Good job, lawyer.

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2) Playing against other people and key uniqueness Playing against other people does occur at many more places than AH.

Which is definitely not our concern here. We're talking about a keygen, not about Battle.net (much as we would like )

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perhaps you used another inapropiate word and wrote "avoid" where you meant "correct" or "solve".

The Gods forbid, or there'd already be a dozen lawsuits against me.

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Not having any problem, is not equal to potentially having them and being sure to be able to solve them if they arise.

Hence "avoid" as opposed to "correct" or "solve"

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A simple IF THEN construct with two negative clauses...

Plus a whole page of unrelated drosh. As if the faulty premises of your "simple construct" weren't bad enough.

Putting your words in my mouth (or should I clarify? in my fingers!) won't help you get your point (if you have one) thru.

Whatever irks you, please leave it outside the perfectly plain, understandable and useful thread we were having here.

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Nowhere is Ron hailed as having god-like powers over the whole planet or even the whole subset of Stars players.

I sure that he does. It is the central plank of my belief system. The total lack of proof just shows how strong (and thus right) my faith is.

All hail Ron

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