 A call to arms: Stars! Hosts |
Thu, 21 November 2002 13:59  |
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Greetings all,
In an attempt to create a friendly environment for hosts who find themselves in a middle of a mess and wished to find a 3rd party verifier, or just someone to help iron out disputes, and/or clean up a rather large and messy Game I would like to have a call to arms of all the hosts out in the Stars! Cosmos.
For anybody of the hosts who are interested I would Like to come up with a web page or even a forum where Hosts can go to do all the things hosts do, to discuss hosting tricks of the trade, and to hold a database of Players who have played in previous games (that have had a good record and availability). Also to create a place for other hosts to look for players he or she knows will prove to produce a good game.
With my life coming together (finally) I may be starting a grand RPG storyline based in the Stars! Cosmos, and any hosts who would be willing to act as a 3rd party Verifier or even a secondary host to host aditional games along the RPG Storyline.
Anyone interested reply to this message and we can discuss a web page format or hosting ring for the future.
Thanks and best wishes
Stalwart
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| Re: A call to arms: Stars! Hosts |
Thu, 21 November 2002 14:35  |
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Greetings Ron,
As always thank you for your help. I would greatly apreciate it if you would set up such a Host-Only Forum. That would make it so that anybody on Autohost or anyother host for that matter can post a message regarding any help. Though only do so when you have the free time, I am sure you have your hands full trying to keep this site sorted out and debuged.
Though How do you propose we set up the Datbase. For the longest time I have been meaning to set it up but I have been so busy up till now that I haven't had the time. The format of the Database would be as follows:
Games Played: (list of game names)
Games Finnished: (Games played until killed. Being banned or looking for a replacement subracts from the total amount).
Rank: (Based on Average Input of Hosts, similar to the point system you have provided on this forum. Rank would consist of OK to Highly Recomended).
Or the database can be a pure list of Players added to the the list by hosts who have found these players to be helpfull and fun in any game they have played. If something questionable arises it be brought up to the "Host's Council" and debated if they are to be removed from the player list.
Comments Suggestions?
Thanks always,
Stalwart
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| Re: A call to arms: Stars! Hosts |
Thu, 21 November 2002 16:20 |
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It might be an Idea not to have a "blacklist" as people may get offended. The Idea of a Host being able to recommend players that have been Helpful/Fun is the best way IMO.
Obviously if a host has/had a real problem with a player then they could say or possibly PM a host who is asking for reliable players
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| blacklisting |
Thu, 21 November 2002 16:36 |
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 Ron |
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See this message/thread for the idea of 'blacklisting'.
I seem to recall this this issue was hashed out on the rec.games.computer.stars newsgroup several times over the years, with the result that it wouldn't really be a good idea.
I wish I had kept stats (host name, players) etc of all the games on AutoHost over the years... I don't even know how many games (total) have been on AutoHost since it started in May 1997. 
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In an attempt to create a friendly environment for hosts who find themselves in a middle of a mess and wished to find a 3rd party verifier, or just someone to help iron out disputes, and/or clean up a rather large and messy Game I would like to have a call to arms of all the hosts out in the Stars! Cosmos.
For anybody of the hosts who are interested I would Like to come up with a web page or even a forum where Hosts can go to do all the things hosts do, to discuss hosting tricks of the trade, and to hold a database of Players who have played in previous games (that have had a good record and availability). Also to create a place for other hosts to look for players he or she knows will prove to produce a good game.
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With the exception of the part in red above, I think it would be a good idea. Whether it would actually be used much or not is another story. 
[Updated on: Thu, 21 November 2002 16:36]
Ron Miller
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 Re: blacklisting |
Thu, 21 November 2002 16:45 |
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Well it seems that blacklisting or saying that one player is 'good' in a ranked database might offend people or be off, depending on in whose games the players play(since it would be set by hosts). Mayhaps you can create a list of game types the people prefer, such as blitz, PbeM(autohost et c.), the rare RPG style of games. Big universes, small universes and so on. Its been a while since I did programming but I'm sure that anyone with a good knowledge of BASIC could set up a cross index, enter in a few game parameters and blammo, people who like to play this game-type pop up. The players might be able to set up their ID in the database by themselves to insure accuracy. If it was done on autohost E-Mails could be kept secret.
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| Re: blacklisting |
Thu, 21 November 2002 17:02 |
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Greetings All,
Thanks all for the input once more. I guese the idea of having a "good" experience would be out of the question, I hate offending people. Jeffmix did bring up a good point of listing favored styles of games. Though it would probably be easier to have a database of games played on Autohost with a story line, and a seperate database of players. The players database would have a list of games each player has played, links leading to each one. The game page would involve either a storyline (being RPG), a history line, or just a list of Scores throughout the game with Host notes throughout.
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As far as making people offended... ask E-dog, in the game Battle for Glory 2 that I was hosting (and playing) I had planned a mass asault of his entire Empire during one of his vacations. I sent him a warning to be ready by the time he got back (Which he did) but as it turns out he was a day late. His Construction Q's seemed to be planned ahead, as was his Routing routines. Seeing his ships in flight I waited for the day he would return. Once he did I launched the assault and within 3 years I had elimnated 5 of his planets out of 12 if I remember correctly.
Extremely insulted he sent me an ingame message concerning what I had done in such short of a time. I read his actions wrong as he didn't get his turn in until the following day of his return. The game had been set up to a x# of years NAP (Non Agression Pact). In turn I had eliminated a large portion of his empire in short order. Since I was the host I had felt deeply hurt and a bit selfish, so in turn I put up for debate for the players if I should ban myself or find a replacement (which is what I would have done regardless). The players accepted my apology and Edog himself forgave me and asked for me to stay.
I vowed to stay in stalemate and hide in my little corner until a HUGE fleet of Battle Cruisers ran into a small fleet of my Beam Dreadnaughts, though it put up a valiant battle, my IS and CA friends met up and helped me eliminate the rest of Edogs "Pigs in Space"... as painfull as it where. Needless to say my ships didn't get into any major battles if I remember right but rather took out any colonizers will the monster IS race next door did the dirty work.
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So in other words I'm not so inocent myself and would perfectly understand not being added to the list. Though having a list of players in games and their corresponding games would indeed be a valuable tool. There are many possabilities though... I need to think more into it.
Thanks again Everybody for your input and best wishes,
Stalwart
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| Re: A call to arms: Stars! Hosts |
Mon, 25 November 2002 18:53 |
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| johng316 |
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Stalwart,
I don't really see anything wrong with a "positive players" listing for hosts, especially if we could put it into a downloadable excel doc or something that could be mail merged for game announcements. I'm a Home Theater fan, and on several sites there are "good traders" lists for people who trade DVDs. When you have a good, successful trade, your name is added to the list. When you have subsequent good trades, you get +1 by your name. When people post items for sale or trade, they refer to the list saying "I'm +8 on the good-trader's list here" or something like that. It's crude, but it works, and nobody complains.
I like the idea, and as a game host, I would love to be able to invite known reliable players. In the 3 current games I'm hosting, one player in each game dropped within the first 10 years (2 of them never played their first turn). That's extremely frustrating in an 8-person game. Some system is better than no system, IMO.
John
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| Re: A call to arms: Stars! Hosts |
Mon, 25 November 2002 20:03 |
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Greetings John,
To be perfectly honest that would be a really good idea. I could probably come up with such a file if hosts would be willing to use it we could use the point system you mentioned for being helpful in games, where as your name would be added to the list just for completing a game.
For example players who have droped out of a game wouldn't be added to the list until a full game would be finnished, though players who have been in a game before could ask to be removed from the list until they return.
Thanks for your input,
Stalwart
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| Re: A call to arms: Stars! Hosts |
Fri, 06 December 2002 19:05 |
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| EDog |
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| SimonM wrote on Fri, 06 December 2002 13:03 |
Is there a host only forum set up? I have a question for other hosts, and I don't want my players to see it
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You might try PMing various hosts (we can be identified by the SAH Host logo by our rank) to get some direct, private answers. I am always happy to try and answer a question (or at least deceive, inveigle, and obfuscate you real good if I don't know the answer).
EDog
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| Re: A call to arms: Stars! Hosts |
Mon, 09 December 2002 13:42 |
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I think it's true of all languages. The foreigners know it better than the nationals. Mainly because those who speak the language natively pick up slang and poor habits.
I know i do
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 Re: A call to arms: Stars! Hosts |
Fri, 20 December 2002 15:59 |
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Greetings All once again,
I have officially moved into my new place and am working on getting a web page together for my upcoming Hosting Campaign. I am still interested in putting together a list of Hosts for all who wish to aid in hosting duties (trade off hosting duties for the holiday for example).
For those interested the game "Genesis Wars I" will start the 1st of Januarary.
As for a forum based around Hosting Questions and Hosting help I will speak to Ron concerning such.
Hope to hear from you all soon,
Stalwart
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