I will be the first to admit Im crap at Stars!, I play because its enjoyable.

But some scum I thought was a friend, not an ally but not an enemy either - I feel so stupid now for having him set as friend.

And this year the scum has just gated the works into my home system and crippled me.

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I think actually I wasnt backstabbed really because he wasnt allied to me I just paid the price for being stupid (having him as friend when I should have had him as neutral).

Live and learn

EDIT: Im not sure if I was backstabbed or not?

Because we have never been allied but I stupidly have always had him as friend just not sure why because he was first contact and its cool to be friends and last year it was -

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Please do not be alarmed at the movements of my battlecruisers. They are positioning to keep a lane open and free of mines between Telly and Abbott. You have seen how much traffic of mine goes between those two planets, and if MFs were to close off the route, that would seriously cramp my development. I can certainly understand why those MFs are being laid, to protect Kirkland, but I need access to my planets.
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This yeah he has gated into several home sector worlds and said -

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As leader of my people, I hereby declare war upon you and your people. I intend to take your territory, a goal which I have had for many years, and which I now choose to pursue.

May the gods smile upon my endeavor!
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Avoid taking strategy wargame too personally.
One does not roleplay himself when ruling some interstellar empire of alien species.
Probably you dont win that game anymore. However the opponent under question did get severe diplomatic disadvantages from what he did. So you can use that to make sure he does also not win the game.

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Kotk wrote on Sun, 05 November 2006 00:48

Avoid taking strategy wargame too personally. One does not roleplay himself when ruling some interstellar empire of alien species. Probably you dont win that game anymore. However the opponent under question did get severe diplomatic disadvantages from what he did. So you can use that to make sure he does also not win the game.

Oh believe me even before I had no chance of winning not in a million years but it certainly has not helped the alliance I am in and completely messed up ingame future plans for our alliance.

Oh well Im in another game now to only in its 5th year.

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LOL Im feeling guilty now for letting down my allies somewhat! Even tho its just a friggin game! But its Stars! haha!

Stars! does this to you! It can drive a man insane

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Wow, I think this thread is out of control. I don't it would be appropriate under *any* circumstances to publicise someones private email address without their consent.

Thread out of control? - no - not really - We've managed to hash out the issue quite well I think

But, Dogthinker is right about the e-mail address issue - I was out of line with that comment. I hereby modify it to say -'publicise the player's AH name' so that other players know in advance when they get into a game that they are in a game with someone that has no problem doing this to another player.

Ptolemy

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Ptolemy wrote on Sat, 04 November 2006 23:28

Quote: In such situations I just abandon the game in order to deprive such persons of the rest of fun. I suggest that just quitting is not the best solution. If you just quit, you give the new enemy at lest MOST of your planets without a fight. The best thing to do is make very sure HE CAN'T win by freely giveing planets to his enemies - i.e helping them take the planets over, AND, running a scorched earth policy for the planets the enemy is going to get anyway. Letting everyone know what has happened will generally guarantee that the backstabbing player will not get any allies for the rest of the game. Tie up as much of his resources as possible to let HIS enemies gain an advantage - The more he spends trying to clean you out, the less he can spend later to fight the ones that will kill him. If you just quit, you greatly enhace his strength with no loss to his minerals or resources. Ptolemy

IMO abandoning the game when someone backstab is justified behavior. I treat backstab as some kind of cheating what should not be accepted at all. Everyone should be aware that stats! is only the game and not respecting other players may entail their withdrawal.

In "Nowhere to Run", only in one turn when I was attacked, I lost the great majority of the planets and almost every base with the gate. That was planned and well prepard action and even cowardy since my main fleet stayed intact. Nature of backstab is that your are attacked by your "ally". Afterthat I could not rely on other players since they were against me.

Notice that 2 turns after my withdrawal the game was finished. My "ally" was considered as winner by unanimouse vote

He just wanted to win no matter how.

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iojho wrote on Sun, 05 November 2006 11:21

IMO abandoning the game when someone backstab is justified behavior. I treat backstab as some kind of cheating what should not be accepted at all. Everyone should be aware that stats! is only the game and not respecting other players may entail their withdrawal.

IMO everyone should be avare that stars! is strategy wargame with diplomatic elements. How personally people can take it? Lot of games are about bluffing others. Stars is no exception. Backstab cannot be called "cheat". Where there is disrespect?

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Notice that 2 turns after my withdrawal the game was finished. My "ally" was considered as winner by unanimouse vote

Successful backstab then.
Single player may win rules?
There was "i kill you last" agreement between you?
The game was basically over and you were his last obstacle?
You were #1? He became #1? Rest of the players bowed to his superiority?
Technically he obeyed the agreement, he killed you last.

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Ptolemy wrote on Sun, 05 November 2006 07:24

I hereby modify it to say -'publicise the player's AH name' so that other players know in advance when they get into a game that they are in a game with someone that has no problem doing this to another player.

Hey, let's also have a list of players who have ever attacked a neutral player's ships. These players obviously can't be trusted to set their battle orders properly, so no-one would ever want to be in a game with them.

[In case anyone missed it, that was irony BTW ]

I've watched the "back-stabbing" debate with interest, and it seems to me to have zealots on one side and realists on the other. The real back-stabbers (players who knowingly and calculatingly violate formal agreements) tend not to engage in the debate at all.

We've now reached ridiculous levels though. This wasn't a back-stab, merely a player taking advantage of another player's overly trusting nature, and it is being suggested that we black-list them.

If Stars! players were to become that kind of community, I'm not convinced I'd want to be part of it.

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Staz wrote on Sun, 05 November 2006 18:40

Ptolemy wrote on Sun, 05 November 2006 07:24 I hereby modify it to say -'publicise the player's AH name' so that other players know in advance when they get into a game that they are in a game with someone that has no problem doing this to another player. Hey, let's also have a list of players who have ever attacked a neutral player's ships. These players obviously can't be trusted to set their battle orders properly, so no-one would ever want to be in a game with them. [In case anyone missed it, that was irony BTW ] I've watched the "back-stabbing" debate with interest, and it seems to me to have zealots on one side and realists on the other. The real back-stabbers (players who knowingly and calculatingly violate formal agreements) tend not to engage in the debate at all. We've now reached ridiculous levels though. This wasn't a back-stab, merely a player taking advantage of another player's overly trusting nature, and it is being suggested that we black-list them. If Stars! players were to become that kind of community, I'm not convinced I'd want to be part of it.

I wish I had not started this post now

I never said to blacklist anyone I didnt intend for anyone to think thats what I meant.

I just take Stars! to personally sometimes. I was just annoyed he didnt give me a years notice and instead just gated in the same year. I helped him early on in the game to by giving him a planet I had already colonised with 100k+ people on it to help his early expansion so I guess thats why I was annoyed. I just took it to personally.

I apologise to Lefnufrag. Alls he did was take advantage of my weakness yep there is nothing wrong with that.

In fact I THANK Lefnufrag for teaching me a lesson for future games - thankyou.

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