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The_Crowd wrote on Sat, 17 December 2005 18:20

I'm certain that I missed something, and if so please remind me of it and I'll try and reply a little more quickly this time. Jay

You missed clarifying split fleet dodge (and good luck on that score ). Whether you meant players to abide by the official version, or your own version should be made clear.

The official version

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An attacking fleet can only attack ships at the same location. If you split your fleet into many smaller individual fleets and diverge their movement orders, an attacking fleet can only engage one of them (the one with the largest mass will be targeted - though there may be a bug with this). A change was made in the JRC3 patch to stop multiple chasing fleets from all attacking the same target when this was done.

Skips over some of what can be abused with split fleet dodge. Further, how will you address the unintentional infractions? and yes, it is very possible to unintentionally SFD, which makes the whole punishment thing interesting.

Truly, the only way to avoid SFD 100% is to never split fleets once they are grouped together.


-Matt

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vonKreedon wrote on Tue, 20 December 2005 14:15

The question about research is also still unanswered, will everyone simply research Energy for the 50 years. This is pretty important for race design. Assuming that Energy is what is researched AND that all resources go into research, then I would likely take GR and perhaps play SS, were I going to play, which I'm not.

That's how I read it. I assumed that if MA was used, then it would be mentioned in the game parameters. Having energy makes things a bit interesting.

I think being slightly behind on EN with SS and GR won't be a huge problem. Trading for energy should be dirt cheap

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The_Crowd wrote on Sat, 17 December 2005 19:20

2. Yes, I will turn random events off. Although I LOVE the MT, it would really suck to get hit by a big comet during that 50 years.

One way you could avoid comet hits is backup the files before you gen a turn as you're setting up the host race. Go through the messages and if a comet hits a world, go back one year and regen. Comet strikes are independently random on each new gen, similarly you could make MTs/comets happen more often or not at all by doing this (depending on how patient you are). Anyway, it is possible to preserve random events and garantee nobody gets nailed with a comet without too much time/effort if you're going to be looking at those turns anyway. Depending on how much you like the MT, it might be worth it. You must be careful during all 50 years to not let a comet sneak in, or you would have to re-do all the subsequent years if it smacked a HW.

Then we still have the question of worm holes and fleets outside of spiral arms, that and meeting the MT. All of these issues are workable though I think.

Suggestions... If a fleet travels through a worm hole and ends up outside the 25 ly boundry of an arm, then he has two options. First he can go back through the wormhole (assuming it hasn't moved or disappeared on him) or he can scrap his fleet (ouch, deep space hurts ). If it's within an arm, the race has discovered a temporary gateway to another arm or the core. Funny senario is appearing inbetween a pair of arms, and the other end moves between another pair of arms. You could go back and forth until you found your way back to where you can fly or the wormhole disappears and you lose your fleet.

If you miss the MT and end up outside of the 25 ly limit, scrap the fleet as if in deep space per above, risky business this MT.

Anyway, some more ideas about random events.

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PricklyPea wrote on Wed, 21 December 2005 06:13

How did you get 12k resources with your PP? Did you build factories during the jump start?

You understood me incorrectly, 1.75 mil pop = 1,750 resources. There are 12k resources needed to research energy 17 to get the warp 11 driver.

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If you change it so that they do MA instead of research then you are effectively banning a race – AR. Because while all the rest of the races will be on about 1000 resources to start AR will have somewhere around 200. If you allow energy research then they will have higher (haven’t done a test bed but AR have 2000 when fully developed with a Death Star so they may have around 1000). This is a shame because in a non chaff game AR actually stands some chance.

Actually, starting resources are quite irrelivant especially since nothing is really happening with those resources anyway - pop is everything. Do you think people are going to leave their pop on their HW long? No, it's all about growth. True, the AR will have less resources initially but they'll grow quite fast and those first few energy levels come very quickly and they'll be just fine resource wise. In fact, I've noticed that AR has a significant advantage in starting resources given the energy research. Not to mention they will start with the most minerals given their intrinsic mining that does increase with population (quick test bed, 96 mines after 50 years, which yielded almost 5k minerals of each - this is enough for a mystery trader the first year out of the gen). Everyone else is limited to starting mines which produce almost nothing. This eliminates the biggest obstical that AR has to expantion - low starting minerals and expensive initial miners. The limited borders will make it hard to gang up on an AR in the early going, no chaff makes starbases that much more powerful. If you get on friendly terms with whomever might be in your arm, chances are good we'll see working mineral fountains. No, AR has plenty of opportunity without energy research. For the power offered in the fountain there is already less risk as opposed to other games where people already play AR.

I'm thinking that we want to have races other than AR and PP in the game

Though, if we do go with energy research.. I'm quite inclined to be an AR myself due to the power lent to the race (and it's immune to packets).

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BackBlast wrote on Wed, 21 December 2005 09:03

True, the AR will have less resources initially but they'll grow quite fast ... I'm thinking that we want to have races other than AR and PP in the game

In my testbeds, AR was the fastest Quickstart. Watch out the AR Monster is on your ARM and coming after you ))


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Orange wrote on Wed, 21 December 2005 10:09

In my testbeds, AR was the fastest Quickstart. Watch out the AR Monster is on your ARM and coming after you ))

I tested too and AR was fast initially but still overtaken by other races very quickly. In particular, the remote mining means that minerals take a long time to ramp up.

I think it makes for an interesting game as AR have a better chance than normally but are still vulnerable in the early/mid stage.

PP also benefit, but I wouldn't deny either AR or PP their day in the sun

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