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Ethical Question: Looking at a turn that will be regened

Fri, 19 August 2005 12:42

vonKreedon

Lieutenant

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Registered: March 2003
Location: Seattle, WA USA

The main problem with regens is that it gives players the opportunity to look into the future by looking at the initial gen. So one might get the chance to see what forces an enemy actually brings to a combat, or that the enemy attacks when/where one did not expect thus ruining the surprise Shocked

OTOH, if the turn gened without giving all players reasonable notice that the gen was about to occur, say because the turn had been on hold or something, it is not fair to those who did not submit for there not to be a regen. What is one to do?

To start this discussion I'll state my ethical position. If I am calling for a regen I do not download the gened turn. If I look at a gened turn and I submitted for that turn then I will not resubmit for the regen.

Any thoughts? This situation has resulted in some nasty altercations in the past and it might be helped if the community developed some ethical norms for the situation.

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Re: Ethical Question: Looking at a turn that will be regened

Fri, 19 August 2005 14:31

PricklyPea

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Messages: 534
Registered: February 2005

I think it is best never to regen, especially in situations where combat occurs. I guess this is tied to the question of why you are regenning. If there is a particular thing to be changed then change only that.

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Re: Ethical Question: Looking at a turn that will be regened

Fri, 19 August 2005 16:01

crr65536

Chief Warrant Officer 3

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Registered: June 2005

We had to regen because, due to the time our game was taken off of hold from the most recent storm, two turns were generated in two hours.

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Re: Ethical Question: Looking at a turn that will be regened

Tue, 23 August 2005 02:44

Ptolemy

Commander

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Registered: September 2003
Location: Finland

In the case where 2 gens occurred in 2 hours I suspect that most players did not submit. Therefore, it is wise to restore to the previous year.

Ptolemy

Though we often ask how and why, we must also do to get the answers to the questions.

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Re: Ethical Question: Looking at a turn that will be regened

Tue, 23 August 2005 10:33

vonKreedon

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Registered: March 2003
Location: Seattle, WA USA

Though the impetus for this thread came from the regen in Together Again, I would like to have the discussion go beyond that particular instance. For one thing there was little disagreement about the regen, though one player did note that combat had occured and regening gives the loser the opportunity to revise their turn.

That is the issue, that anytime there is a regen players get the opportunity to see into the future and revise their turns accordingly. One option that has been voiced here is a strict no regen policy, but I personally do not think that is desirable as there are many situations in which it is unfair to one or many players.

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Re: Ethical Question: Looking at a turn that will be regened

Tue, 23 August 2005 10:38

PricklyPea

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Messages: 534
Registered: February 2005

Simple case may be to not allow those who had submitted turns to submit a revised turn. But will be more complicated if those who did not submit a turn have also seen the generated turn and have additional information.

I guess in such a case, the only fair thing may be to let everybody revise their turns and use the information that they know.

A neutral host may be able to hear concerns of all and make a judgement.

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Re: Ethical Question: Looking at a turn that will be regened

Tue, 23 August 2005 16:12

Kotk

Commander

Messages: 1227
Registered: May 2003

Oh regen is always a pain. Confused

Anyone can look into regennable turn. It is impossible to prove they did not. It is safe to assume everybody did it and better to encourage that everybody do it. Nod

Usually it is then most easy to decide among players by discussion and vote if there will be regen and what and by whom will be resubmitted.

There may be regen where only very limited actions by limited players may be done before regen (for example cheating undone). Then some third party must monitor the process.

On rest of the cases it is usually best solution if game is held ( Laughing

) and everybody is let redo and resubmit their turns. Carefully, since knowledge that opponents may have more information than they should also matters. Wink

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