Home World Forum
Stars! AutoHost web forums

 Jump to Stars! AutoHost

 
 
Home » Stars! 2.6/7 » New Game Announcements » New Game: War of the Worlds
New Game: War of the Worlds Tue, 02 August 2005 05:42 Go to next message
wizard is currently offline wizard

 
Officer Cadet 3rd Year

Messages: 279
Registered: January 2004
Location: Aachen, Germany
 Hi all,

I am offering to host my first game.

# of players: up to 8
Skill level: Intermediate
Ranked: Yes. Please tell me if you are not ranked yet.
Version: 2.6/2.7j
Autohost: Yes
Turns generated: 24 hours up to year 2430, then 48 hours. Weekends off. If you need a pause, just ask the host.
Host is playing: Observer Race
Universe size: Small Packed, Distant Starting Positions
Starting conditions: ACC BBS
Victory conditions: Last Man Standing or consensus
PRTs forbidden: None, but there will be a penalty of 100 leftover points for CA (set to defenses) plus they may not take TT. JOAT may not take NAS.
Restrictions:
- no cheats (except chaff and split-fleet dodge)
- no pregame alliances

Special Rules:
Germ starting concentration will be 30 or lower.
Everyone has to be set to enemy except one ally (and observer race of course). The ally can be changed once every 10 years. Tech exchange between enemies is not allowed (I'll be watching!).

If you are interested, please send a race file, the password and your desired email address to me at andreas (at) studnitz (dot) de. First come, first serve.

The game is intended to start in about two weeks.

Regards,
Andreas / wizard

Report message to a moderator

Re: New Game: War of the Worlds Tue, 02 August 2005 06:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Skaven is currently offline Skaven

 
Crewman 3rd Class

Messages: 6
Registered: April 2005
Location: Quebec
 I'm Interested. Will send you race file today...
And i am not ranked. I'm currently playing my first multi-player game ( all other where alone ). If you need someone who had play a lot of stars but almost all game against AI, i'm your man.

Skaven

Report message to a moderator

Re: New Game: War of the Worlds Wed, 03 August 2005 15:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
wizard is currently offline wizard

 
Officer Cadet 3rd Year

Messages: 279
Registered: January 2004
Location: Aachen, Germany
 Three players up to now.

Report message to a moderator

Re: New Game: War of the Worlds Fri, 05 August 2005 04:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dreadlordnaf is currently offline dreadlordnaf

 
Crewman 1st Class

Messages: 27
Registered: April 2005
Location: Bulgaria
 Im interested in your game but have one comment.

First why the NAS restriction for JOAT? I can understand TT for CA since it can really overpower them. But at level 10 electronics the JoAT's inate scanners are no better than regular level 10 penetrating scanners and at level 16 elec they are effecitivly obsolete as the Dolphin scanner has a penetrating range of 200ly while the JoAT will only have 160ly. Ya their normal scanners will be a bit better but seeing some fleet 640ly away isnt too useful if you cant see it planet hopping to you a few turns away. In addition the Elephant scanner can be stacked. In fact putting 3 on a frigate hull will get you a penetrating scanner range of 263ly, a range that JoAT wont get until level 26.

I dont know it just seems whatever bonus the JOAT gets at the beginning from the pen scanners is easily outweighed by the disadvantages later. I know cause im in a game where im JOAT now and my opponents are able to get some of the best scanners in the game at level 16 while i wont have anything nearly as equivlant until level 26 Sad

BTW im not going to be JOAT if i join your game. Just wanted to point out that i dont think that restriction is really necessary.

[Updated on: Fri, 05 August 2005 04:59]

Report message to a moderator

Re: New Game: War of the Worlds Fri, 05 August 2005 05:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Micha

 
Commander
Duel Club Champion 2005
Duel Club Champion 2005
Duel club champion 2004
Duel Club Champion 2004

Messages: 2342
Registered: November 2002
Location: Belgium GMT +1
dreadlordnaf wrote on Fri, 05 August 2005 10:55

I dont know it just seems whatever bonus the JOAT gets at the beginning from the pen scanners is easily outweighed by the disadvantages later. I know cause im in a game where im JOAT now and my opponents are able to get some of the best scanners in the game at level 16 while i wont have anything nearly as equivlant until level 26 Sad

I'm not sure I'm understanding you correctly ... in this game JoaT can not take NAS, that means he'll have all the penscanners available ...

As for JoaT and NAS, taking NAS for a JoaT is free points! (Therefor the restriction, an already powerful PRT gets even more RW points.) You get penscans anyway, they are indeed not as good as elephants but they cost you nothing compared to those. Also next to keeping penscans you get the double NAS range as well ...
I don't have Stars! at hand but for the cost of one FF with 5 elephants (each costing what? 70 resources?) you might be able to build 35 or so chaff (each costing +/-10 resources) and have 35 penscan ships with a very decent range ... you'll see a lot more with those 35 ships than just one expensive FF ...

And penscans from turn 2400 is not to be underestimated ...

mch

[Updated on: Fri, 05 August 2005 05:44]

Report message to a moderator

Re: New Game: War of the Worlds Fri, 05 August 2005 05:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mazda is currently offline mazda

 
Lieutenant

Messages: 655
Registered: April 2003
Location: Reading, UK
dreadlordnaf wrote on Fri, 05 August 2005 09:55

I dont know it just seems whatever bonus the JOAT gets at the beginning from the pen scanners is easily outweighed by the disadvantages later.

Well most people disagree with that one.
The early advantages are enormous, and the later disadvatages are trifling.

The JoaT gets it's scanners for free.
Everyone else has to pay for Dolphins and Elephants and most people don't get to Dolphins until the start of the mid-game when most of the initial borders have been settled.
Every minelayer/scout/DD sweeper becomes a high powered scanning ship.
Plus, if they take NAS then they get 100 extra points to improve their race.

This has been discussed many, many times before.
In return for a massive number of points, and doubling of the non-penscan range JoaTs only lose a few minor benefits - like not being able to build cloaked, scanning nubs.
This is considered one of the most broken things in the Race Wizard.

Quote:

I know cause im in a game where im JOAT now

In that case you aren't using the JoaT scanning correctly.

Report message to a moderator

Re: New Game: War of the Worlds Fri, 05 August 2005 06:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
wizard is currently offline wizard

 
Officer Cadet 3rd Year

Messages: 279
Registered: January 2004
Location: Aachen, Germany
 Thanks Micha and mazda. That's what I wanted to achieve. Advanced Scanners may be a bit better, but the JOAT scanning ability is still very good. So it's unfair that JOAT gets even points for taking NAS. JOAT is strong enough...

Andreas / wizard

Report message to a moderator

Re: New Game: War of the Worlds Fri, 05 August 2005 07:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kotk

 
Commander

Messages: 1227
Registered: May 2003
Maybe allow player to have JoAT with NAS if he leave 100 points to defenses like CA?

Report message to a moderator

Re: New Game: War of the Worlds Tue, 09 August 2005 13:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
sarducci is currently offline sarducci

 
Crewman 2nd Class

Messages: 10
Registered: February 2003
Location: Frankfurt, Germany
 Still slots open? And yes, I am ranked.

--Sarducci

Report message to a moderator

Re: New Game: War of the Worlds Tue, 09 August 2005 15:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
wizard is currently offline wizard

 
Officer Cadet 3rd Year

Messages: 279
Registered: January 2004
Location: Aachen, Germany
sarducci wrote on Tue, 09 August 2005 19:08

Still slots open? And yes, I am ranked.


Hi sarducci,

yes, slots are still open, game is filling slowly. You are in Smile

I now have 4 1/2 confirmed players. I am willing to start with 6 players.
Anyone interested?
I'll be away until sunday, so don't expect any answers in that time Wink

Andreas / wizard

Report message to a moderator

Re: New Game: War of the Worlds Sat, 13 August 2005 03:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Altruist is currently offline Altruist

 
Commander

Messages: 1068
Registered: August 2005
Location: Berlin
 Greets,

2 days ago I stumbled upon my old Stars!-files, did some fast games vs the AIs, discovered as usual how boring it is crushing AIs and...
if there is still a free slot I would be delighted to be in.

It's quite some time since I've played Stars, several years really, but I did some multi-player games back then (Bluebear's beginners' games, interim, relax, sniper school) and would place myself somewhere at the lower intermediate skill-level.

Ranked? I don't think so. You have developed a ranking within the games played here?

Nevertheless an email with my data and race file is on the way...

Report message to a moderator

Re: New Game: War of the Worlds Sat, 13 August 2005 03:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Altruist is currently offline Altruist

 
Commander

Messages: 1068
Registered: August 2005
Location: Berlin
wizard wrote on Tue, 02 August 2005 11:42

Hi all,
Special Rules:
Germ starting concentration will be 30 or lower.



Forgot to ask:
Does the Germ concentration of 30 or lower refer to just the HWs or all planets in the galaxy?

Report message to a moderator

Re: New Game: War of the Worlds Sat, 13 August 2005 05:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Micha

 
Commander
Duel Club Champion 2005
Duel Club Champion 2005
Duel club champion 2004
Duel Club Champion 2004

Messages: 2342
Registered: November 2002
Location: Belgium GMT +1
Altruist wrote on Sat, 13 August 2005 09:36

wizard wrote on Tue, 02 August 2005 11:42

Hi all,
Special Rules:
Germ starting concentration will be 30 or lower.



Forgot to ask:
Does the Germ concentration of 30 or lower refer to just the HWs or all planets in the galaxy?


Only to the HWs (as they are all the same, except if you spend points in min cons), rest of the planets is random.

mch

Report message to a moderator

Re: New Game: War of the Worlds Tue, 16 August 2005 15:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
wizard is currently offline wizard

 
Officer Cadet 3rd Year

Messages: 279
Registered: January 2004
Location: Aachen, Germany
 Okay, we'll get it going. The following players are in up to now:

Jan
Skaven
sarducci
Altruist
Hillel
Aaron
Robert (No, not the forum robert, another one).

I'd like the above players to send me their race files until Thursday (if not already done so). Also, I need Jan and Robert to tell me their forum login names. I'll set up the game when I got all race files, and hope to send the files to Ron this weekend.
Also, I'll get the players ranked who aren't yet.
There is still one slot open. If you are interested, just send a race file, the first to do so is in. I'll post if someone not on the list has sent a race file.

My email address again: andreas(at)studnitz(dot)de.

Andreas / wizard

Report message to a moderator

icon10.gif  Re: New Game: War of the Worlds Wed, 17 August 2005 06:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Indur is currently offline Indur

 
Civilian

Messages: 1
Registered: August 2005
Location: Mainz/Germany
 Hello all!

I am on. Unfortunatly, I wasn't able to come here any earlier. My real name is Jan (first on the list).

I have played some multi player games with medium success, though not on Autohost. So no ranking upto now.

I have one Question concerning the game rules: What does changing you Ally once in ten years mean? May I change only in years with say 0 as last digit, or does it mean, I can change every time, provided the last change was more than 10 years in the past. Furthermore, do I have to anounce my ally to all players or only to the observer race (and maybe to the ally). Cool

That's about all.

Good luck to all other participants!

Indur

Report message to a moderator

Re: New Game: War of the Worlds Wed, 17 August 2005 06:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
wizard is currently offline wizard

 
Officer Cadet 3rd Year

Messages: 279
Registered: January 2004
Location: Aachen, Germany
 Hi Indur,

thanks for your message Smile
You may only change your ally if you didn't change it for the last 10 years. And you don't have to announce it, although it would be nice if you tell the host (me) about it.

Have fun Wink

Andreas / wizard

Report message to a moderator

Re: New Game: War of the Worlds Thu, 18 August 2005 07:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
wizard is currently offline wizard

 
Officer Cadet 3rd Year

Messages: 279
Registered: January 2004
Location: Aachen, Germany
 Still one slot left (one new player, hertbert, one out, Robert). Hurry up and you can get into the game Smile

Andreas / wizard

Report message to a moderator

Re: New Game: War of the Worlds Fri, 19 August 2005 03:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
wizard is currently offline wizard

 
Officer Cadet 3rd Year

Messages: 279
Registered: January 2004
Location: Aachen, Germany
 Current list:

Indur (in)
Skaven (out)
sarducci (in)
Altruist (in)
Hillel (out)
Aaron (in)
hertbert (in)
Justin (out)

To those whose race files aren't sent to me yet, please do so as soon as possible. I'd like to start soon.
Looking forward to a nice game Smile

Andreas / wizard

Report message to a moderator

Re: New Game: War of the Worlds Sat, 20 August 2005 05:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Micha

 
Commander
Duel Club Champion 2005
Duel Club Champion 2005
Duel club champion 2004
Duel Club Champion 2004

Messages: 2342
Registered: November 2002
Location: Belgium GMT +1
wizard wrote on Tue, 02 August 2005 11:42


Everyone has to be set to enemy except one ally (and observer race of course). The ally can be changed once every 10 years.

Just wondering what the players should do in turn 1 ... Set everyone to enemy immediately? Or everyone neutral unless you have met the race? Or ... ?

mch

Report message to a moderator

Re: New Game: War of the Worlds Sat, 20 August 2005 05:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
wizard is currently offline wizard

 
Officer Cadet 3rd Year

Messages: 279
Registered: January 2004
Location: Aachen, Germany
Micha wrote on Sat, 20 August 2005 11:14


Just wondering what the players should do in turn 1 ... Set everyone to enemy immediately? Or everyone neutral unless you have met the race? Or ... ?

mch


Set everyone to enemy, except observer race of course. If players want, they can set one race to friend, but remember that there must be 10 years until you can set another race to friend (and the former ally to enemy).

I'll check that from time to time.

Andreas / wizard

Report message to a moderator

Re: New Game: War of the Worlds Sat, 20 August 2005 05:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Micha

 
Commander
Duel Club Champion 2005
Duel Club Champion 2005
Duel club champion 2004
Duel Club Champion 2004

Messages: 2342
Registered: November 2002
Location: Belgium GMT +1
Quote:

If players want, they can set one race to friend, but remember that there must be 10 years until you can set another race to friend (and the former ally to enemy).

Does that mean that you can only set your ally to enemy after 10 years? Or can you set your friend to enemy anytime as long as you set nobody else to friend for the next 10 years?

mch

Report message to a moderator

Re: New Game: War of the Worlds Sat, 20 August 2005 07:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
wizard is currently offline wizard

 
Officer Cadet 3rd Year

Messages: 279
Registered: January 2004
Location: Aachen, Germany
Micha wrote on Sat, 20 August 2005 11:30


Does that mean that you can only set your ally to enemy after 10 years? Or can you set your friend to enemy anytime as long as you set nobody else to friend for the next 10 years?


You may set anyone to enemy whenever you want. There is only a restriction on setting allies: you may only set someone to friend if
- there is noone else set to friend and
- you haven't set someone else to friend (who hasn't been before) in the last 9 years

I think you know what I mean. Don't switch friends more often than every ten years. Please tell me if there is still need to clarification. I can make some pseudo code formula Smile

Andreas / wizard

Report message to a moderator

Re: New Game: War of the Worlds Sat, 20 August 2005 12:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Akapulko

 
Crewman 1st Class

Messages: 39
Registered: August 2005
is there open slot? I would like to join to game.

Report message to a moderator

Re: New Game: War of the Worlds Sat, 20 August 2005 17:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
wizard is currently offline wizard

 
Officer Cadet 3rd Year

Messages: 279
Registered: January 2004
Location: Aachen, Germany
Akapulko wrote on Sat, 20 August 2005 18:40

is there open slot? I would like to join to game.


Hi Akapulko,

currently, all eight slots are filled. Still, three of the players haven't sent a race file yet.
If you sent a race file, I'll put you on the waiting list. If there are still race files missing, you'll be in then instead.

Report message to a moderator

icon12.gif  Re: New Game: War of the Worlds Sun, 21 August 2005 01:56 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Akapulko

 
Crewman 1st Class

Messages: 39
Registered: August 2005
thank you
my race (Akapulko.r1) has been sent

Report message to a moderator

Previous Topic: New Game: Armistice Too!
Next Topic: New game - Twin World Wonder Two
Goto Forum:
  


Current Time: Sun May 05 23:04:34 EDT 2024
.:: Contact :: Home ::.

Powered by: FUDforum 3.0.3.
Copyright ©2001-2011 FUDforum Bulletin Board Software