Report message to a moderator

[Updated on: Wed, 15 September 2004 18:24] by Moderator

Report message to a moderator

Steve wrote on Wed, 15 September 2004 11:39

How long will it take to build and deliver scrappers? Also, with 5 year gens, it will take some hoop jumping to actaully get scrapping done!

About a year
Zero cost is really cool

The scrapping, well... thats setting up some routes that return and scrap in 1-5 years... not that hard

Report message to a moderator

donjon wrote on Wed, 15 September 2004 12:53

About a year Zero cost is really cool The scrapping, well... thats setting up some routes that return and scrap in 1-5 years... not that hard

Oh, I am totally unfamiliar with any such tools!

Report message to a moderator

Report message to a moderator

Report message to a moderator

Steve wrote on Wed, 15 September 2004 15:03

I saw the results in the Summer game. The funny thing is that the host was losing despite the cheat!

Yes, zero-cost does not give a big advantage because in Stars! you can only gain one level from scrapping a year. Doing normal research it is possible to advance two or three levels in a year depending on your economy. However, having a century jump on the Lesser races, plus zero-cost scrapping should give a reasonable challenge to the lesser races especially if the Ancient races are handled by reasonably experienced players.

Actually another hidden benefit of zero-cost scrapping is the minerals you accumulate from the scrap

[Updated on: Thu, 16 September 2004 06:58]

Report message to a moderator

donjon wrote on Thu, 16 September 2004 12:57

Actually another hidden benefit of zero-cost scrapping is the minerals you accumulate from the scrap

Well, you could of course prevent that benefit since the 100 year scrapping is going to be off AH anyway I assume? (meaning you can use your hacked .exe)

mch

Report message to a moderator

Report message to a moderator

Report message to a moderator

Quote:

The gate network will be very impartial in its dealings with races. The destruction of a gate or colonization of a world which "belongs" to them will not change their opinion of a race.

hmmm...I see abuse potential. When phase II begins and the secondary races can begin submitting turns, for the mineral cost of a fort and a gate (what's that...something like 60i, 25b and 35g) they get a pop-drop for tech planet anywhere they want it.
I'd ask for several each turn

As I hate posting about a problem without at least trying to suggest a fix..
One fix is to have all players set the gate network race to friendly, but then you cannot destroy gates for protection or to slow down an enemy (maybe you could request their destruction by the gate network which is accomplished the next turn when they pick up all their people into an always orbiting freighter...only the player who submitted the build request can submit the removal request. Just thinking out loud here.

[Updated on: Thu, 16 September 2004 17:42]

Report message to a moderator

v-Skippy wrote on Thu, 16 September 2004 15:34

hmmm...I see abuse potential. When phase II begins and the secondary races can begin submitting turns, for the mineral cost of a fort and a gate (what's that...something like 60i, 25b and 35g) they get a pop-drop for tech planet anywhere they want it. I'd ask for several each turn As I hate posting about a problem without at least trying to suggest a fix.. One fix is to have all players set the gate network race to friendly, but then you cannot destroy gates for protection or to slow down an enemy (maybe you could request their destruction by the gate network which is accomplished the next turn when they pick up all their people into an always orbiting freighter...only the player who submitted the build request can submit the removal request. Just thinking out loud here.

Hmmm, perhaps you don't understand the nature of the Gate Network Race, as a host race it will NOT be researching beyond the required amounts... (Con 12, Prop 11 various other minor values) therefore pop-dropping the gate-network would not provide much of anything.
Similarily, they will not be mining... they will have two major planets which will be proximate to the Elders.
You need to remember that a host race has no need of following normal advancement.
I would expect that a race would choose to have the gate network as a friend... however, in specific cases they may choose to destroy the gate (I would expect that would be for straegic reasons)

Report message to a moderator

Report message to a moderator

donjon wrote on Thu, 16 September 2004 16:54

v-Skippy wrote on Thu, 16 September 2004 15:34 hmmm...I see abuse potential. When phase II begins and the secondary races can begin submitting turns, for the mineral cost of a fort and a gate (what's that...something like 60i, 25b and 35g) they get a pop-drop for tech planet anywhere they want it. I'd ask for several each turn As I hate posting about a problem without at least trying to suggest a fix.. One fix is to have all players set the gate network race to friendly, but then you cannot destroy gates for protection or to slow down an enemy (maybe you could request their destruction by the gate network which is accomplished the next turn when they pick up all their people into an always orbiting freighter...only the player who submitted the build request can submit the removal request. Just thinking out loud here. Hmmm, perhaps you don't understand the nature of the Gate Network Race, as a host race it will NOT be researching beyond the required amounts... (Con 12, Prop 11 various other minor values) therefore pop-dropping the gate-network would not provide much of anything. Similarily, they will not be mining... they will have two major planets which will be proximate to the Elders. You need to remember that a host race has no need of following normal advancement. I would expect that a race would choose to have the gate network as a friend... however, in specific cases they may choose to destroy the gate (I would expect that would be for straegic reasons)

Hey! I was planning to buy gates next to everyone elses HW. We can't have them destroying the gates!!!

Report message to a moderator

Report message to a moderator

Report message to a moderator

Report message to a moderator

Report message to a moderator

Grimferth wrote on Fri, 17 September 2004 01:22

What will lesser races be doing during phase 1? I'm assuming that whatever default research and mining will continue to run. The initial ships will just sit there, right? Can the Shadows use RB to raid minerals on a lesser race's HW?

Quoting donjon here:

donjon wrote on Wed, 15 September 2004 13:03

Micha wrote on Wed, 15 September 2004 01:50 First Phase: (2400-2500) -> what are the lesser races doing? Alchemy? Pop growing? Or situation at 2500 is equal to their situation at 2400? As in normal jumpstarts, they will be in orbit, pop and mins will be recorded at start, and those values will be returned to them +/- some small value. Essentially, they will start at 2400 levels.

mch
donjon: Thanks Micha

[Updated on: Fri, 17 September 2004 06:51] by Moderator

Report message to a moderator

Grimferth wrote on Thu, 16 September 2004 17:09

Phase 2 restriction: Quote: No homeworlds may be attacked. What do we mean by attack in this case? It's given that the homework cannot be invaded. What about the base or any ships in orbit?

That means no fleets nor starbases may be attacked either.
{no packets either (scanning packets are fine)}

The Ancients may garner support by threat

Quote:

Quote: 2) If they are "attacked" they may become "active" meaning they may submit turns for five moves. What would set off this trigger? Invasion of a colonies, certainly. Attacking base? a ship?

What defines the trigger is up to the nature of the Ancient Race. Do realize though, that submissions of moves by the Ancients are going to be filtered through the hosts.
Obviously, if the Ancient is involved in tech trade with a lesser he may be attacked, (wolf/lamb etc.) an action which would be expected with the Ancients. This attack would NOT constitute a trigger for "activity."

Quote:

Thanks! Looks like a fun game!

Welll.....

Report message to a moderator

Grimferth wrote on Thu, 16 September 2004 17:17

So, phase two starts up and the lesser races start encountering one another and the Ancient races. I'm assuming lesser races will negotiate their NAPs and alliances, while the Ancient races start recruiting their (max of 3) allies. What happens if the Shadows and the Llort agree to an alliance, but the Llort already has an agreement with some unallied race? Will that relationship need to be terminated?

That would be up to the races involved of course. The only "hard" limit is three allies for the Ancients, they need to get three and they may not get more. They need to get three to win. (by hook or crook )

Report message to a moderator

Report message to a moderator

Report message to a moderator

Report message to a moderator

Steve wrote on Fri, 17 September 2004 08:01

You need to remember that life come from Chaos and Death comes from order!

You will have to teach us that maxim

Report message to a moderator