| Program Crash |
Sat, 31 July 2004 15:18  |
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 Joker41NAM |
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I'm new with Stars, and have been having problems. Sometimes it won't even start, and other times it dies right in the middle of a turn. It always gives this message:
The Win 16 Subsystem has insufficient resources to continue running. Click on OK, close your applications, and restart your machine.
I'm running in Windows XP Pro (don't know if it makes a difference). I've tried running in Compatibility Mode and running in a separate memory space, but neither seems to be helping.
Assistance appreciated.
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| Re: Program Crash |
Sun, 01 August 2004 12:24  |
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I also Stars! run in XP quite happily. And in Windows 2000, and Linux. It really is very forgiving.
Have you tried starting Windows in safe mode and running Stars! that way ?
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| Re: Program Crash |
Sun, 01 August 2004 23:35 |
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| Joker41NAM |
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| iztok wrote on Sun, 01 August 2004 13:37 |
Hi!
You can delete Stars!.exe and D/L a new one from AutoHost.
BR, Iztok
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Tried that. Gave me that same error message the next time I tried to start it up. Also have tried the no-sound stuff with similar results
Thing I don't understand is what's triggering it. I can try to start it, and it errors out, then I can immediately try it again, and it'll work for at least a few moments. I'll admit I run a fair number of programs as background processes, but memory usage doesn't seem to be part of the problem. I've had it balk with over half my memory clear, and I don't run any other Win16 programs that I'm aware of. It's getting rather frustrating.
One other thing, I've been playing with games with max size settings. Biggest galaxies, most players possible. I don't think that it's relevant (since it normally crashes before I can even select a game), but might I be wrong?
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| Re: Program Crash |
Mon, 02 August 2004 04:19 |
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Try checking for a corrupt or infected EXE...
Download Fsum from download.com
http://www.download.com/Fsum/3000-2248-10223927.html
Then download Stars! 2.6j rc3
http://library.southern.edu/stars/kn2050.htm
Run Fsum on the downloaded Stars.exe *before* you run it, and make a note of the checksum it generates.
Then run the downloaded Stars.exe, exit it and run Fsum on it again. If the checksum has changed then you have a virus that your AV software is not picking up or some kind of random file corruption problem.
For reference, when I run Fsum on my copy of Stars (which I believe is 2.6j rc3) I get...
95a600e9abb8aa660fd2f899d0b4e623 *stars.exe
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| Re: Program Crash |
Mon, 02 August 2004 11:12 |
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| Orca |
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| mlaub wrote on Mon, 02 August 2004 07:41 |
FYI - MS recommends 128 megabytes of RAM or higher. In my experience, though, both 2K and XP run much better with at least 256meg.
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It's possible to install and run 2K on 32 megs - it's very, very, VERY slow. XP would be similar I'd imagine. I don't think insufficient RAM should cause this behavior...if it did, he shouldn't be even able to open a web browser.
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| Re: Program Crash |
Tue, 03 August 2004 09:55 |
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| mlaub |
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| Micha wrote on Tue, 03 August 2004 02:26 |
I've been looking around last evening/night for some time, couldn't find a straight forward solution ... I did see a lot of people reporting similar crashes, so the problem is not only with Stars!, there are several 16 bit programs suffering from the same problem ... (of course that does not help you  )
mch
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I've never had an issue with my registered shareware version and XP Pro. So, I'd try the no sound option first. As someone pointed out, you can try safe mode. If that works, and there is a conflict, you can use "msconfig" to find it by trial.
-Matt
Global Warming - A climatic change eagerly awaited by most Minnesotans.
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| Re: Program Crash |
Sat, 07 August 2004 10:47 |
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| Kotk | 
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I am not sure if it is connected to your problem but I had similar problem... at home computer. It was XP home edition. I can say how to spot and how to cure it, even if it is not the case there may be similar one.
It was because of some trojan that sneaked in with sasser worm. It used sasser worms backdoor to sneak in but didnt go away when i removed sasser worm.
Virus detection that i had (McAfee VirusScan) did not show it but since i saw it with my bare eyes i removed it manually. It was easy to spot... you look into task manager you see lot of svchost.exe running for various services. I had one named scvhost.exe Note! "scv" not "svc".
That was trojan that caused lot of 16 bit stuff crashing. After i removed it from hard drive all was OK again. Probably there are anti-viruses that remove it, i have no money to buy them all and try it out.
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| Re: Program Crash |
Sat, 07 August 2004 21:05 |
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Note on trojans/worms, etc. Yesterday helped someone who had slow computer. There are free but slow activex scanners available that work within your browser. If you can't get them to work right, often a sign that a virus is fighting to shut down the scanner before it kills the bad guys.
The first one found 7 variants including famous ones like Sasser, netsky. It was http://housecall.trendmicro.com. The second http://www.pandasoftware.com/activescan/ found at least 2 others missed by the first, I never stayed around long enough to find out what they were, would have had to wait till scanning over. Total of at least 204 infected files, no wonder she had trouble getting Norton antivirus 2004 to install right. BTW, booting off the norton cd did not detect any of these, they likely have come out in last 6 months or so.
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If faced with a virus that fights to kill your antivirus programs sometimes you need to find a way to manually remove first or boot in a way that virus doesn't run before running a scanner. At times I have downloaded free or trial version anti-virus products changing extension to not be zip or exe. Then rebooted in safe mode and from there changed extension back and got antivirus program to run. (changing of extension makes harder for virus to figure out program to infect). This sometimes allows removal of certain monsters that fought against a straight download/run of antivirus software.
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 Re: Program Crash |
Sat, 07 August 2004 23:08 |
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| Joker41NAM |
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Well, I haven't found the problem (it isn't a virus, unless it's something that can get by a complete system scan with up-to-date Norton AntiVirus), but I did find a work-around.
Since I'm using XP, I can Switch Users. I've got a second profile I use as a back-up (in case something breaks in my primary; been known to happen). Apparently the Win16 subsystem is profile-specific, because I can get a crash in my regular profile, Switch over to the alternate, and it'll work fine in there. So I now basically have a "gaming" profile and a "regular" profile, running simultaneously.
Thanks to all those who recommended solutions. If it gives me more problems, I'll post again. Until then, I may be seen in strategy forums. I need some serious help 
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| Re: Program Crash |
Sun, 08 August 2004 07:17 |
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| Joker41NAM wrote on Sun, 08 August 2004 05:08 |
Well, I haven't found the problem (it isn't a virus, unless it's something that can get by a complete system scan with up-to-date Norton AntiVirus), but I did find a work-around.
Since I'm using XP, I can Switch Users. I've got a second profile I use as a back-up (in case something breaks in my primary; been known to happen). Apparently the Win16 subsystem is profile-specific, because I can get a crash in my regular profile, Switch over to the alternate, and it'll work fine in there. So I now basically have a "gaming" profile and a "regular" profile, running simultaneously.
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When I was searching for an answer I did came across this "solution", however the one posting this solution did mention that after a week the new user started getting the same errors, creating a thrid user solved the problem again ... for another week ...
So I didn't suggested this since it seemed only temporary, please let us know if at your computer this turns out to be a permanent solution,
mc
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And I know people that use it in wine and winex, though there used to be some problems with that (by now fixed I understand. can't say for sure, I don't use either).
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