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Re: The Negitive effects of someone posting their game files early? |
Thu, 23 June 2011 17:09 |
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Void | | Ensign | Messages: 369
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Short answer: No, I don't believe NMid did anything wrong by sharing information.
I can understand why Slim isn't thrilled with this, though. I wouldn't be, either. The good news is he didn't try to disseminate disinformation! Now that would have pissed me off (although part of me would have been impressed by the Machiavellianness of it).
I agree with the sentiment that this is unusual. In my current game, I contemplated sending out critical empire information (habs, planets, race settings) about an ally who backstabbed me, but ultimately thought better of it.
The two main things wrong with this thread are the way-too-long quotes (already mentioned) and the sheer volume of defensive posts by NMid. Both are totally unnecessary, IMHO.
Cheers,
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Thu, 23 June 2011 18:57 |
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m.a@stars | | Commander | Messages: 2765
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nmid wrote on Thu, 23 June 2011 22:10 |
RAGE!!! WHICH RULE DID I BREAK !!!
TEARS HAIR OUT.
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Well, I was gonna say none that hadn't been already punished and hopefully forgotten, but...
You've adamantly defended that repeat offenders should be punished as harshly and repeatedly as possible, and here you are, a repeat offender.
You have obviously disregarded the advice to discard or at least check with some more knowledgeable player all those neat little tricks that you and/or others have employed in so many of your games.
You seem to still think that the best way to deal with something that you don't like is to perpetrate some other action equally or more despicable.
In summation, you are still adamantly arguing that all the rules, codes of honor and punishments that should apply to everyone else, obviously shouldn't be applied to you!
Please don't make it any worse than it already is. The general consensus (that you don't seem to value, but hey) was that what you did wasn't so out of the ordinary or particularly punishable. But your own posts put everything in a quite different and far less benign light.
You are now using the exact same argument that you so harshly rejected in others.
You seem to still like "spreading the bug" among your fellow players by inviting them to share into your dubious actions.
At the very least, you're establishing precedent for the next hapless host or player to cross you.
Well, then, perhaps everyone else will be forced to protect themselves against you.
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Re: The Negitive effects of someone posting their game files early? |
Thu, 23 June 2011 19:34 |
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neilhoward | | Commander | Messages: 1112
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Sharing info is fine (unless specified in game rule, which it was not).
Sharing turn files is unorthodox, but still fine (unless specified in game rule, which it was not).
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Re: reply 7/7 (use the other forum view) |
Fri, 24 June 2011 00:38 |
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Read it... Will assimilate it after some careful reading and thinking.
Thanks for sharing.
I know my minefields.. but I'm a chaff sweeper.
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Re: The Negitive effects of someone posting their game files early? |
Fri, 24 June 2011 12:25 |
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slimdrag00n | | | Messages: 630
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vonKreedon wrote on Thu, 23 June 2011 12:19 |
I might have had a little bit of a problem with Nmid if he'd given out his empire's information and then dropped out, sort of slamming the door behind him, but he's continued to play his turns despite being destroyed by the combination of rule breaking penalty and the Amazon/Centaur offensive that coincided with his penalty ban. Good on Nmid.
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He only has one planet that I am bombing. He cant build anything but defenses of course his game play is over and he gave out his game password because he is being killed off and he is slamming the door behind him because he knew his planet is only going to last a couple turns.
Its not against the rules but it is truly a dishonorable action.
nmid wrote on Thu, 23 June 2011 15:48 | I'll answer your (and other) posts thematically, not point wise.
I'm open to different viewpoints, but being open doesn't mean I pander to your over-reactions or paranoia.
You have a problem with your intel being leaked out.
I understand. That was the original point of action anyways.
I was refraining from explaining my fuzzy logic earlier, but now I will.
The punishment that I got gave an unfair advantage to YOU.
You were able to take over my HW's minerals, take out my future fleet, save atleast 3 worlds of yours, while giving your OWW ally another near-perfect world with HW mineral concentrations, along with another world that's almost 80%.
The host didn't realise the repurcusions of his punishment. I did find it excessive, but even I didn't think it would cause me to be dead in 3 years.
To balance out this, I decided to take things in my hands, knowing the ground reality.
Others don't know what's going on. It's just you and me.
The main point is that my fuzzy logic decided to even out an uneven state of affairs for the OTHER players in the game.
I'm least bothered about my race. (details at end of post).
I consider your battle tactics quite skilled and I look forward to a normal game (see below), so I'll actually better my game.
However in this game, the way I was knocked out left me thinking that it was too easy for u... (repeating myself, point already made, so that's it).
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I dont think there was much logic. I think you were just a player and lost and decided hey let me show these guys my cool race but without thinking of how anyone else would feel about it.
As I stated before We attacked your HW the same year you sent your weak frigate fleet to attack Gladsheim. Even if you built ships to defend with the exact year my fleet was on Berry which was 1 warp 10 jump away you would have no chance.I was sweeping your HW for like 5 years, you should have had a big fleet already sense I was one jump away. Lets say you built 20 CC's at your HW at columbia, another 30 at your other world the turn you were banned from making anything. If you sent one stack over to your HW you would have two separate stacks making them weak. We had two stacks of about 35 cc's and 20 jihad CC's. There is no way you could have made a big enough fleet and built enough chaff to save you. Your SB didnt have Jihad missiles, Your HW had 20% defenses.You cant take it out on me when it was the hosts rules and punishment. I did not try to take advantage of the situation, I didnt even know what the punishment was going to be. We had already planned to attack that year. My guess is you didnt have many ships because you thought I was going to attack with that Frigate fleet I was baiting you with near your HW.
If you want to still blame that your punishment caused your loss then I understand but I must say we played well and would have rather fought you at full force. Forgetting a rule can happen to anyone, you just need to pay attention when up late hours ect.. playing stars all sleep deprived. Hey I do it all the time. Just be ready for the host to lay the smack down.
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Details -> My race. ( Read sub-note at end)
I joined this game with an objective of taking out 2 HWs before my OWW race faltered against other -f races / +f races.
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Re: The Negitive effects of someone posting their game files early? |
Fri, 24 June 2011 13:30 |
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slimdrag00n | | | Messages: 630
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Quote: | Thematic answering done, I don't like barbs or actions mis-attributed to me.
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"I am glad I only looked at your turn for under 1 minute and forgot the PW. I wish I didn't look but figured everyone else did and I didn't want them to have the unfair advantage."
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That's a yes and a no. Either do it or don't do it.
What's this about "forgot the PW"?
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Yep I looked at it, checked out your race, seen where peoples planets were. I can hardly remember my PW half the time. Neil took off your post with the PW so that was it.
Next point...
definition of cheating.
Unfair advantage
lol.. nvm, I've just had a nice soothing shower so I'm all relaxed after office. Moving on.
My objective was not to show it to my ally, but to negate an unfair advantage that you gained.
I am sorry about the fact that Vonkreedon is a OWW got out from me.. but the intel about peacenics is dated. Big deal.
I did not do anything in this game to get an unfair advantage. I am pretty sure that was you who broke a rule and had to suffer the consequences.
Also, do you really mean to say that ppl don't talk in the game?
I know a fleet of 27 copoid BBs waiting at the doorstep of taka-take's world... without having any scout of mine down south.
I knew your fleet of 25+ CCs were roaming down south, same way.
Thats no big deal of course people talk. The problem is you showed me everyone's HW and other information none of us asked for. You hurt the quality of the game, of course its not breaking a rule but its dishonorable. Keep it in game, talk to allies, trade intel as if you were that race.
As for not being scouted by froggies, my 2 worlds have not been scouted by him in the past 15 years either. You were just lucky with your neighbour placing to have a complete newbie (no offence brazouk) to your north and me (_) to your east who didn't fight you for greens AND an IT OWW ally to your south who had 0 interests in your greens too.
Yeah I was lucky, that's the legit part of the game. You think its ok for people to use hacks to see the universe?
If he was so nooby and your game plan was to get someones HW why not his?
I don't know why you are acting as if the world has come down on your head. A good game for you for sure, but you fearing ppl will either gang up on you now or they'll quit because they perceive you to be too strong, is not a valid argument against my actions.
Are you seriously thinking its not a valid argument? It is the perfect argument. Your actions are giving unfair advantages to me and other players, could prematurely cause the game to end. If a worm hole goes to the south east I know exactly where to attack Vonkreedons HW. I am sure that makes him very happy you gave me that info for free.
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I did nothing that didn't exist 1 year earlier my disclosure, apart from "pitchforking" you.
I hope you know what that means.
You definitely screwed it up and rendered it unfair but it is still playable and we will continue. I am lucky enough to not be the last ranked player in score, so I wont lose because of it but it hurt them even more.
and blue, perhaps this is a new type of pitchforking. We don't need to play the same way as stars has been played for 15 years.
Sure, ethics should stay firm, and I do think I'll refrain from posting my archive folder in public next time, but tell me... seriously... do you think ppl (live players still in the game) won't reach out and ask for intel from a dead player while the game is running?
I'm suprised if that's what you think, and I know that it isn't so.
Perhaps I am more street-savvy than I thought... negative, positive? Both imo.
This last paragraph you wrote is ignorant to the point it hurts to read. Is that how you seriously justify your actions. I posted earlier all I wanted from you was an apology and for you to say you'll never do it again now you say you will refrain from posting
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Re: The Negitive effects of someone posting their game files early? |
Fri, 24 June 2011 15:28 |
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Eagle of Fire | | Lt. Commander | Messages: 809
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The idea behind the honor code is: don't do something you would not want to be done to yourself.
When someone break the honor code, many different reactions can apply to many different people. It can range from not wanting to play with the player who broke the honor code at all in future games to doing anything and everything possible to break the game of the player in question if any opportunity arise (especially if you already know you are out of the game).
Edit: why did I write honor system? It is honor code...
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