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Re: Remote Mining with Vengance.

Sat, 30 August 2003 15:05

Kotk

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True... i do not buy the construction 8 as -f or AR because of miners early. I take it because of large freighter. Exclamation

Better miners and cheaper docks are just handy bonus Thumbs Up

but large freighter is a must to have when you need cheap travel measures. Privateer costs too lot of resources and iron, the medium freighter is a bit low with fuel. AR of course cannot stop there... needs Ultras as soon as possible. Smug

I must admit i did not think of using potato bugs as miners... they seem to give more minerals when scrapped. Embarassed

To not waste the ship slots I usually limit the options of miners to...
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ARM: maxi miner and ultra miner (yea i have always scrapped the bugs).
Idea

Without ARM: only super miner is enough can switch to alien miner.
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With OBRM... only alien miner there.

Why i say this race isnt as capable as simple -f...?

First: The idea behind -f is to be the victor by 2450. Remote miners just arent comparable with ordiary mines in that time frame. So it cannot be as capable.

Second: it has 10% less econ per planet. -f in general suffers from low planetary econ. -10% there starts to feel already. Usually when 2 early beamer fleets with 10% difference in numbers meet, then the smaller leaves salvo Puke2

and larger one leaves battle with minor losses. Twisted Evil

Third: You need to invest so heavily into logistics that only IT or maybe CA is able to meet the requirements. No way you are going to be living nuisance like usual -f?

Deadlier than AR in endgame??? Hmm... nothing there deadlier in endgame. Twisted Evil

First: Mineral fountain. AR has limitless 30% mining from any HW it possesses. IF you lose your own there may still be someone who gives you his. Wink

That -FM race cannot mine much better than ordinary OBRM race that got alien miner or race that just did not take no OBRM nor ARM in endgame.

Second: Resource density. AR has above 2K (almost 3K at 100% planet) of resources per planet. -FM race has 1K at 100% planet.

Third: Packet-proof. AR is packet-proof from the moment of colonizing. -FM pay 1.5k minerals and resources for defenses and the defenses disappear on the moment he leave it. -FM needs 2 large freighters of pop to operate the defenses AR needs 1 brave represental of his nation to operate its full Deathstar. Nana nana bubu

Fourth: Easiness to retake and overtake. AR can get Deathstar up in 3 years on freshly colonized red planet. After that it can just pick up most of the pop and slowly improve the base into full deathstar. Full deathstar is not a weenie... 5 arm dreads will not drop it so better forget the kamikadze attacks against AR. AR has about 150 resources at any red planet where he dropped large freighter of pop to (and who say he may not drop 5 or 10 large freighters there)? -FM got his 75 resources max there. Wall Bash

Fifth: Better defenses. The AR lives in orbital so all you need is to kill it. -FM builds defenses, all one need are 20 cherries (120 resources) or 5 LBU-74 (40 resources) to destroy these 100 defenses. 100 defenses that cost 1.5K minerals and resources. What a fine starbase can be built from 1.5K, and what it costs to drop it?

Sixt: To remote mine AR need to just gate his miners without losing a year or mining. Its AR special ability to mine with gating. Teleport

-FM has to move to starbase (1 no mining), Gate (2 no mining), move to new mining place... 3 years of empty run.

Okay, Living on a starbase is a weakness of AR ... so are dying on road and no way to pop-bomb. Somehow it feels that living on the bare rock where the only thing you can build are defenses and you even have to leave when you want to remote mine it ...is no much better option.

When it comes to cruisers versus -f frigates then i have noticed that Bazooka frigates are superior to Colloidal cruisers... for same resources. And they have cheaper tech requirements too. Yes, Colloidal frigates are good against the bazooka frigates but by the time of colloidal frigates i have some Jihad cruisers in the pack. This all is of course dependant of situation but usually if i got -f i start to trying control things from ...

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