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Re: Known Cheats Thu, 17 April 2014 05:37 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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skoormit wrote on Thu, 17 April 2014 02:15
I agree that extracting the messages reduces the time required to find the potential cases of mine damage dodge, while providing 100% confidence that all potential cases are being detected.

If the game host wishes to monitor the game in this way and analyze each case, then this is the best known solution.

Well, fancy that, this is the exact same rule I was trying to suggest and you rejected as "useless blabber". Glad to know you didn't actually mean it. Cheers


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But I prefer to avoid putting anything else on the host's plate. Adding this analysis to the host's responsibilities can only slow down the game. It does potentially provide a 100% mine-damage-dodge free game. But as a player, I'm more willing to play in a game that offers a clear, simple, enforceable rule that creates known, balanced costs for employing the mine damage dodge strategy, than a game that may require the host to put the game on hold in order to examine possible cases of mine damage dodge.

In other words, you'd rather allow cheating and blatant subversion of a game than let mistakes and unlawful gains be fixed and the game allowed to proceed normally? Confused


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I don't think banning mine damage dodge is sufficient, since it can happen unintentionally. You have to specify what the penalty will be when it does happen. And in my opinion, that penalty has to apply regardless of the intent of the dodging player.

Ok, you're definitely quoting me. So do it 'til the end, then: "the penalty shall be proportional to the benefits obtained". And while I'm at it, I'll add that Hosts should be free to decide how much that proportion should be, up to and including banning of exploiters, since the goal of the rule should be to discourage such exploits, not encourage them. Twisted Evil


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I would not want to be the host stuck with making a judgement about a borderline case, especially if that judgement could swing the result of a game.

Well, here I'd like to ask others exactly how many times have they seen a game derailed by a more-or-less-unintentional happenstance of tanking. Can an entire race's fate be decided by a fleet of 5 or less ships? Has anyone witnessed a major battle decided by a few percent dmg points? Why are some people so worried about big mixed fleets? Has anyone ever seen a typical fleet significantly benefiting from this bug? Sherlock



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