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Wed, 16 April 2014 12:56

skoormit

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XAPBob wrote on Tue, 15 April 2014 17:02

That's a huge mm and planning cost to get all the ships in the right slots, and leave gaos for upgrades etc...

I don't think it is, actually.

How many single-weapon designs do you expect to have in a game?

For me, it's just chaff. I don't build anything else that has just one weapon. And I haven't seen other players build any as well.

Maybe it wasn't clear in my wording...I mean one single weapon added to the design, not one single slot used for weapons on the hull.

So really, you don't need to do any planning other than not building something in the #16 slot before you start building chaff. Or rather, if you do build something in the #16 slot before you start building chaff, it needs to be a short-lived specialty design (the kind of thing that we sometimes build in the very early game).

When it is time to start building chaff, just design your chaff, then copy the design until the design list is full, then delete all of the chaff designs except for the last one in your design list.

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The dodge is fairly easy to avoid - in the early years reserve slot 16 for chaff and minicolo designs.

Yes. This is my point, essentially. My proposed rule roughly says "You must put chaff in slot 16" (defining chaff as any design with a single weapon), and it gives players two options for exploiting mine damage dodge: either put two weapons on all your chaff, or use a dedicated design (presumably weaponless).

What we need's a few good taters.

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		Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Wed, 12 February 2014 05:19
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Wed, 12 February 2014 09:39
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Tue, 18 February 2014 04:32
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Wed, 12 February 2014 09:45
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Tue, 18 February 2014 04:38
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Tue, 18 February 2014 06:36
		Re: Known Cheats By: craebild on Tue, 18 February 2014 12:27
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Wed, 12 February 2014 12:06
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Wed, 12 February 2014 12:17
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Wed, 12 February 2014 12:46
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Wed, 12 February 2014 13:13
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Thu, 13 February 2014 07:19
		Re: Known Cheats By: magic9mushroom on Tue, 18 February 2014 20:45
		Re: Known Cheats By: Altruist on Thu, 20 February 2014 13:34
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Thu, 20 February 2014 17:19
		Re: Known Cheats By: nmid on Fri, 21 February 2014 02:01
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Tue, 25 February 2014 05:52
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Tue, 25 February 2014 06:55
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Wed, 26 February 2014 14:05
		Re: Known Cheats By: magic9mushroom on Wed, 26 February 2014 07:46
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Wed, 26 February 2014 14:00
		Re: Known Cheats By: nmid on Wed, 26 February 2014 17:44
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Fri, 21 March 2014 08:08
		Re: Known Cheats By: Altruist on Fri, 21 February 2014 09:09
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Fri, 21 February 2014 11:09
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Tue, 25 February 2014 05:42
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Fri, 23 May 2014 05:18
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Fri, 23 May 2014 06:07
		Re: Known Cheats By: magic9mushroom on Fri, 23 May 2014 06:49
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Fri, 23 May 2014 06:51
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Fri, 23 May 2014 07:07
		Re: Known Cheats By: Anonymous Coward on Fri, 23 May 2014 16:23
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Sat, 24 May 2014 15:18
		Re: Known Cheats By: Coyote on Thu, 10 April 2014 20:20
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Thu, 10 April 2014 21:04
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Fri, 11 April 2014 05:03
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Fri, 11 April 2014 13:28
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Fri, 11 April 2014 15:25
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Fri, 11 April 2014 16:33
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Fri, 11 April 2014 17:38
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Fri, 11 April 2014 22:18
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Sat, 12 April 2014 02:07
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Sat, 12 April 2014 07:46
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Sat, 12 April 2014 16:21
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Sat, 12 April 2014 16:17
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Fri, 11 April 2014 16:02
		Re: Known Cheats By: magic9mushroom on Sun, 13 April 2014 20:37
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Mon, 14 April 2014 13:54
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Mon, 14 April 2014 15:45
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Tue, 15 April 2014 04:48
		Re: Known Cheats By: nmid on Thu, 17 April 2014 12:11
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Thu, 17 April 2014 13:25
		Re: Known Cheats By: nmid on Thu, 17 April 2014 13:37
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Fri, 18 April 2014 13:07
		Re: Known Cheats By: magic9mushroom on Fri, 18 April 2014 19:57
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Sat, 19 April 2014 05:30
		Re: Known Cheats By: magic9mushroom on Tue, 15 April 2014 00:03
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Tue, 15 April 2014 04:57
		Re: Known Cheats By: magic9mushroom on Tue, 15 April 2014 06:42
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Wed, 16 April 2014 13:05
		Re: Known Cheats By: magic9mushroom on Thu, 17 April 2014 01:56
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Thu, 17 April 2014 05:13
		Re: Known Cheats By: magic9mushroom on Thu, 10 April 2014 21:36
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Fri, 11 April 2014 04:56
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Fri, 11 April 2014 02:08
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Fri, 11 April 2014 04:48
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Fri, 11 April 2014 10:06
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Fri, 11 April 2014 13:38
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Fri, 11 April 2014 16:00
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Tue, 15 April 2014 06:24
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Wed, 16 April 2014 12:44
		Re: Known Cheats By: nmid on Thu, 17 April 2014 12:07
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Thu, 17 April 2014 13:22
		Re: Known Cheats By: nmid on Thu, 17 April 2014 13:36
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Fri, 18 April 2014 05:45
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Wed, 16 April 2014 13:26
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Tue, 15 April 2014 14:46
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Tue, 15 April 2014 18:02
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Wed, 16 April 2014 12:56
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Wed, 16 April 2014 13:08
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Wed, 16 April 2014 13:30
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Wed, 16 April 2014 13:47
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Wed, 16 April 2014 14:21
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Wed, 16 April 2014 15:13
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Wed, 16 April 2014 15:22
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Thu, 17 April 2014 05:15
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Wed, 16 April 2014 15:15
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Wed, 16 April 2014 15:24
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Thu, 17 April 2014 05:23
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Thu, 17 April 2014 06:11
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Thu, 17 April 2014 12:38
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Wed, 16 April 2014 18:08
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Wed, 16 April 2014 20:15
		Re: Known Cheats By: neilhoward on Thu, 17 April 2014 04:24
		Re: Known Cheats By: nmid on Thu, 17 April 2014 12:40
		Re: Known Cheats By: neilhoward on Thu, 17 April 2014 22:55
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Thu, 17 April 2014 05:37
		Re: Known Cheats By: nmid on Thu, 17 April 2014 11:58
		Re: Known Cheats By: nmid on Thu, 17 April 2014 12:01
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Thu, 17 April 2014 13:06
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Thu, 17 April 2014 12:55
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Thu, 17 April 2014 05:49
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Thu, 17 April 2014 06:14
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Thu, 17 April 2014 11:10
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Thu, 17 April 2014 11:58
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Thu, 17 April 2014 13:04
		Re: Known Cheats By: neilhoward on Thu, 17 April 2014 04:12
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Thu, 17 April 2014 05:03
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Thu, 17 April 2014 17:04
		Re: Known Cheats By: ccmaster on Thu, 17 April 2014 21:32
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Fri, 18 April 2014 11:08
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Fri, 18 April 2014 05:59
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Fri, 18 April 2014 06:51
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Fri, 18 April 2014 13:12
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Fri, 18 April 2014 13:16
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Fri, 18 April 2014 13:58
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Fri, 18 April 2014 16:22
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Sat, 19 April 2014 05:12
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Sat, 19 April 2014 13:37
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Sun, 20 April 2014 06:40
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Sun, 20 April 2014 09:19
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Sun, 20 April 2014 14:06
		Re: Known Cheats By: neilhoward on Fri, 18 April 2014 21:56
		Re: Known Cheats By: magic9mushroom on Sat, 19 April 2014 03:42
		Re: Known Cheats By: neilhoward on Sat, 19 April 2014 19:37
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Sun, 20 April 2014 06:42
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Sat, 19 April 2014 05:33
		. By: XAPBob on Sun, 20 April 2014 14:23
		Re: Known Cheats By: neilhoward on Sun, 20 April 2014 15:02
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Sun, 20 April 2014 15:17
		Re: Known Cheats By: neilhoward on Sun, 20 April 2014 17:45
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Tue, 22 April 2014 05:36
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Sun, 20 April 2014 17:43
		Re: Known Cheats By: neilhoward on Tue, 22 April 2014 17:41
		Re: Known Cheats By: magic9mushroom on Thu, 22 May 2014 07:32
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Thu, 22 May 2014 15:17
		Re: Known Cheats By: magic9mushroom on Thu, 22 May 2014 18:31
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Fri, 23 May 2014 06:54
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Fri, 23 May 2014 07:02
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Fri, 23 May 2014 07:10
		Re: Known Cheats By: Anonymous Coward on Fri, 23 May 2014 17:46
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Sat, 24 May 2014 15:21
		Re: Known Cheats By: dlrichert on Thu, 22 May 2014 16:31
		Re: Known Cheats By: nmid on Thu, 22 May 2014 17:17
		Re: Known Cheats By: dlrichert on Sun, 25 May 2014 00:52
		Re: Known Cheats By: nmid on Sun, 25 May 2014 06:30
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Mon, 26 May 2014 17:34
		Re: Known Cheats By: magic9mushroom on Tue, 27 May 2014 00:11
		Re: Known Cheats By: dlrichert on Tue, 27 May 2014 02:40
		Re: Known Cheats By: nmid on Tue, 27 May 2014 11:12
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Tue, 27 May 2014 11:32
		Re: Known Cheats By: nmid on Tue, 27 May 2014 18:00
		Re: Known Cheats By: Anonymous Coward on Tue, 27 May 2014 12:33
		Re: Known Cheats By: magic9mushroom on Wed, 28 May 2014 02:50
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Wed, 28 May 2014 06:35
		Re: Known Cheats By: magic9mushroom on Wed, 28 May 2014 08:37
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Wed, 28 May 2014 14:22
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Wed, 28 May 2014 16:40
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Fri, 23 May 2014 05:04
		Re: Known Cheats By: neilhoward on Sat, 24 May 2014 01:40
		Re: Known Cheats By: Anonymous Coward on Thu, 22 May 2014 16:21
		Re: Known Cheats By: neilhoward on Mon, 26 May 2014 18:06
		Re: Known Cheats By: neilhoward on Tue, 27 May 2014 21:52
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Wed, 28 May 2014 13:00
		Re: Known Cheats By: neilhoward on Fri, 30 May 2014 07:10
		Re: Known Cheats By: magic9mushroom on Thu, 29 May 2014 08:16
		Re: Known Cheats By: Asmodai on Fri, 30 May 2014 05:15
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Fri, 30 May 2014 06:04
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Fri, 30 May 2014 12:46
		Re: Known Cheats By: Asmodai on Fri, 30 May 2014 08:22
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Fri, 30 May 2014 09:03
		Re: Known Cheats By: Asmodai on Fri, 30 May 2014 09:36
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Fri, 30 May 2014 11:50
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Fri, 30 May 2014 12:51
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Fri, 30 May 2014 18:41
		Re: Known Cheats By: nmid on Fri, 30 May 2014 18:46
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Sat, 31 May 2014 03:24
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Sat, 31 May 2014 09:39
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Sat, 31 May 2014 11:52
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Sat, 31 May 2014 20:31
		Re: Known Cheats By: mrvan on Sun, 01 June 2014 06:00
		Re: Known Cheats By: neilhoward on Sat, 31 May 2014 05:10
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Sat, 31 May 2014 06:32
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Sat, 31 May 2014 14:21
		Re: Known Cheats By: Asmodai on Tue, 03 June 2014 09:16
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Tue, 03 June 2014 17:37
		Re: Known Cheats By: Anonymous Coward on Mon, 16 June 2014 16:21
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Mon, 16 June 2014 23:58
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Tue, 17 June 2014 02:50
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Wed, 18 June 2014 09:22
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Wed, 18 June 2014 10:00
		Re: Known Cheats By: Anonymous Coward on Wed, 18 June 2014 16:46
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Wed, 18 June 2014 17:34
		Re: Known Cheats By: Anonymous Coward on Fri, 20 June 2014 17:38
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Fri, 20 June 2014 20:03
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Sat, 21 June 2014 02:32

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