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Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI

Thu, 05 May 2011 20:55

magic9mushroom

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nmid wrote on Fri, 06 May 2011 03:17

Wait.. I agree with 98% being the limit, as in a overcloaker is limited to 98% cloak (because anything that cloaks it more than 98% is wasted/limited to 98%) after which it's just the mass that counts to the amount of overcloaking units it generates.

What I didn't understand was .... hmm... isn't that what you said?

Hmm... so this means that overcloakers can rarely, if ever cloak a fleet to 98%?
err.. let me clarify, mathematically, the overcloakers will make the fleet reach close to 98% (97.999999%), but never 98%.

No.

An overcloaker generally has more cloak units/kT than the 1680 required to reach 98% cloaking.

This means that when merged with other ships, there can still be enough cloak units to cloak other ships.

For instance, it takes 12 SSCs to fully cloak a Nubian. Any more than that is wasted... as long as the ships aren't merged with something else.

If you use 15 SSCs, though, you can add some uncloaked ships, or load cargo, without going below 1680 cloak units/kT and losing your 98% cloak. This is the whole point of overcloakers - they are literally overcloaked.

What I'm saying is that in determining "max overcloaking", one should count the amount of "spare" cloak units (ie, the amount over 1680/kT), not the total. After all, it's the "spare" cloak units that determine how much fleet mass it can overcloak.

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		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: donjon on Tue, 03 August 2004 04:19
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: Ptolemy on Tue, 03 August 2004 04:36
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		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: Ptolemy on Tue, 03 August 2004 06:04
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: mlaub on Tue, 03 August 2004 09:59
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: Ptolemy on Tue, 03 August 2004 10:18
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: gible on Tue, 10 August 2004 03:57
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: Ptolemy on Tue, 10 August 2004 05:26
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: Kotk on Tue, 10 August 2004 12:00
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: multilis on Tue, 10 August 2004 12:47
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: Kotk on Tue, 10 August 2004 17:50
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: multilis on Tue, 10 August 2004 20:41
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: Kotk on Tue, 10 August 2004 21:30
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: multilis on Thu, 12 August 2004 01:19
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: iztok on Thu, 12 August 2004 04:23
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: multilis on Thu, 12 August 2004 09:22
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: mazda on Thu, 12 August 2004 10:42
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: multilis on Thu, 12 August 2004 13:26
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: Ptolemy on Thu, 12 August 2004 16:11
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: Kotk on Fri, 13 August 2004 05:41
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: Kotk on Thu, 12 August 2004 06:07
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: vonKreedon on Tue, 03 August 2004 10:03
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: PricklyPea on Fri, 01 July 2005 08:31
		Re: Rogue overcloakers By: LEit on Fri, 01 July 2005 10:22
		Re: Rogue overcloakers By: Soobie on Tue, 22 January 2008 07:50
		Re: Rogue overcloakers By: Sully on Thu, 26 March 2009 08:25
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		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: LEit on Fri, 01 July 2005 11:14
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: crr65536 on Sun, 17 July 2005 20:45
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: Kotk on Sat, 23 July 2005 22:12
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: killerk on Fri, 05 August 2005 04:47
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: Micha on Fri, 05 August 2005 04:56
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: gible on Fri, 05 August 2005 08:46
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: PricklyPea on Fri, 23 June 2006 07:20
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: Kotk on Sat, 24 June 2006 15:53
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: Ptolemy on Tue, 27 June 2006 13:53
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: magic9mushroom on Thu, 05 May 2011 00:23
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: gible on Thu, 05 May 2011 00:42
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: m.a@stars on Thu, 05 May 2011 07:55
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: magic9mushroom on Thu, 05 May 2011 08:56
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: nmid on Thu, 05 May 2011 13:17
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: magic9mushroom on Thu, 05 May 2011 20:55
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: m.a@stars on Thu, 05 May 2011 22:14
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: nmid on Thu, 05 May 2011 22:19
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: gible on Fri, 06 May 2011 04:11
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: magic9mushroom on Sun, 08 May 2011 01:36
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: gible on Sun, 08 May 2011 04:14
		Re: Overcloaking (Overcloaker) FYI By: magic9mushroom on Sun, 08 May 2011 06:09
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