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Re: SS ultimate strategy?

Sun, 19 April 2009 18:33

vonKreedon

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magic9mushroom wrote on Sat, 18 April 2009 22:00

Indeed. Those who backstab for stupid reasons go in my "Only if I'm desperate and it's my only choice" bin of players. Those who backstab for perfectly logical reasons go in my "At arm's length - fine" receptacle.

This doesn't apply to the endgame, I should note. When there's less than 5 players left, I consider it "open season", though I probably still wouldn't backstab others myself.

After appearing to disagree with my viewpoint on all four of my points, this to my eye then completely agrees with my overall position. Very Happy

To elaborate, real backstabs IMO are, with very very rare exceptions, end-game gambits. There is not enough time left, either because of game imposed time limits or because the backstabee to be is running away with the game, to use more normal means of exiting the alliance, and so the backstab becomes the only realistic means of winning.

As a player I assume that all the other players are playing to win; that they will do what it takes, within the agreed rules, to win. I'm counting on that and when players do not play to win due to chivalrous concepts of honor and fair play beyond the stated rules it screws with my gameplay and annoys me mightly. If the game is a sole victor game and the number two or three player has been allied with the running away number one for ages and then will not even exit the alliance it screws up the game for the rest of us who are trying to win since we cannot pull down the number one if he remains firmly allied with number two or three. This is slightly different from the backstab discussion, but the concept of honor and such is the underpining most often heard in this situation and really is just a more common effect of this IMO misguided ethic of honor over winning.

If you are playing to win and your sober and ruthless analysis of the situation is that the only chance for you to win is to backstab your ally and you have the realistic potential to pull off a backstab tha ...

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