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Re: Defeating the factoryless race

Thu, 29 January 2009 17:26

johng316

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Here are a few initial thoughts to get things going.

First, the -f has many advantages. Wide hab. Fast growth. Fast time to war.

Disadvantages: slow down in the capital ship phase. If territory growth stops, econ growth is greatly slowed and other races can catch up.

I will use these advantages against the -f, and try to halt expansion. How? Diplomacy is the main weapon.

While it's true that a -f can steamroll a neighbor quickly, can he steamroll 3 simultaneously?

A -f will almost certainly be an aggressor. Aggressors are fairly easy to isolate diplomatically. They are a threat, and a threat to ALL their neighbors. If unchallenged, they will expand and expand, and gain more power. You must persuade others to join against you in a containment fight. You must slow down (or halt) the expansion, and it's a coordinated effort. Fortunately, the sheer aggression of the -f makes this possible.

Secondly, wide hab means the -f is typically seeking the same planets as his neighbors. This makes it even easier to isolate the -f race diplomatically as a threat.

If there are 2 or more -f neighbors, they all have the same objective: Conquer neighbors quickly. Try to put the -f players in opposition. Paint the other as a primary threat. God help you if they join forces, but the fact that they share wide habs (most of the time) will help you to get them fighting each other. If you can do that, for a time their expansions may be blunted.

Bottom line: In order to defeat the -f, you MUST stop or slow the expansion until your own economy is competitive. If you can get into the 2440's without losing much, the -f may have spent most of his early game advantage, and your own advantages come into play. Use your neighbors, build a coalition, and try to get the -f players to fight each other.

You can't beat the -f through direct confrontation in the early game (unless you are SD or maybe -f yourself). If you are not, a coalition and diplomacy is a large part of the answer. Pull their teeth (expansion), and frustrate them at every turn. This requires teamwork for success.

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		Defeating the factoryless race By: johng316 on Thu, 29 January 2009 17:17
		Re: Defeating the factoryless race By: johng316 on Thu, 29 January 2009 17:26
		Re: Defeating the factoryless race By: magic9mushroom on Thu, 29 January 2009 20:47
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