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Re: Where do you hold

Wed, 08 August 2007 22:37

velvetthroat57

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joseph wrote on Wed, 08 August 2007 17:56

The 33% Vs 50% hold debate. At 50% you get 34% more resources (500 Vs 330) and (using a 100% world for comparison) at 33% you would get 23% more pop (770 Vs 600). So on high % cap worlds the next thing is to let them rise to 50%. This gives the best increase in resources for decrease in pop growth ratio.

I agree with letting high hab worlds go to 50% capacity before starting orgies but I don't think it gives "the best increase in resources for decrease in pop." I do it because I don't want my empire to fall behind while the orgy grows but if you are assured a couple decades of peace, I think a hold at 35% on a 100% world (wirh 20% PGR) actually gives the best resource integral, that is it prodices the most resources on the planet while creating enough people to transition to 300% capacity plus maintenance orgy.

It is complicated to determine the optimal hold level. It actually depends on both the PGR of the race (which doesn't change for a given game admittedly) and the habitability of the world (which should improve over the years). For example, a 20% PGR race with a 90% world would maximize resources with a 30% capacity hold level, but a 19% PGR race would do better with a 32% hold level.

The lower the hab, the lower the optimal hold level. By the time you get down to 70% hab, the optimal hold level is down to 25% and you are just maximizing pop growth.

The problem is that leaving most of your empire are 25%, even though it makes more resources long term, leaves you with almost no resources for anything else since the planets generate only half as many resources as they do at 50% and many of those reduced resources are spent building ships in order to keep the planets underutilized. So I bite the bullet and accept suboptimal growth of BOTH population and resources in exchange for a steady flow of resources now to keep me current with other races.
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