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Re: Best way to make a -F IS

Wed, 01 August 2007 01:10

Dogthinkers

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First up, for IS -f, don't even consider anything less than 19% or 20% PGR.

Consider taking one immunity as well. It'll help with finding breeders for the initial population surge. For -f in general, 1i is usually pretty mandatory and 2i interesting. For IS though, it's better to get the best growth rate you can, for those freighters, and you are more tolerant of not-so-good worlds... So I'd take 1i, or if you want 20% and a lot of worlds, consider no immune. No immune will ramp up a bit slower in practice, but it will be *masssive* later on. IS -f is odd, in that you don't have to play it quite as aggressively as a normal -f as you will not weaken as fast thanks to your ability to really exploit what you have.

I'd definately take ISB, as I would with any -f. If you don't, it really hurts your early attacks, since your resources initially spread thinly over many worlds (as IS, later your worlds will individually be quite respectible, with a decent overpop.)

You don't need IFE, but it would be nice, as you'll be building lots of freighters - nice for them not to be engine-obselete too quick. But with the fuel transport, and probably with ISB, it's not critical.

If it's a no-immune, you should take TT - terraforming is a real pain for -f races - you are in a hurry to fight, but you need to terraform to maintain growth.. Ouch. If it's a one immune, TT will probably be too expensive to justify.

OBRM is a no brainer. Definately take it.
RS same for all the usual reasons, plus croby.

3 or 3.5 cheap is wise. Weapons and Con cheap... The rest depending on your strategy and what LRTs you took. Bear in mind you will want some en early for croby, and if you didn't take IFE you'll definately want to push in prop. I can imagine a 2 cheap design working ok, but I'm not sure the extra points could be put to good enough use.

10/3/10 to 10/3/14 mines is about right. You probably won't build past the ~8 per 10,000 pop mark until mid game though - too busy researching and building ships. You'll want more capacity available though for later, otherwise you won't have the mine capacity to feed those overpopped worlds with minerals. This is one of the key differences - any other -f wouldn't need to consider that sort of problem Razz

I personally wouldn't bother with pop eff better than 1/1000... I think the points are better spent elsewhere. Like better hab, LRTs.

Expand fast. Build scouts in the first year. Don't build too many mines - you need to make sure you have the techs you need to export your population in time. Population management is the key. Make sure you stake out a big enough territory.

Don't spend too much terraforming your new colonies, if at all. Unless you are three-wide, make sure one of your fields is narrow. Terraform that field only, leave the other ones until mid game - better to build ships and tech. My rule of thumb, is if I get a 2% improvement for 1 click terraforming then I do it immediately, unless I'm rushing for a tech. Gains less than that can wait a while.

If you spot a HP, eat it or subjugate it. If you spot a -f or QS, try not to fight it, unless you have to - it'll be a hard target and if you wear each other down the other races are likely to have time to develop past you. If you do get in a fight with a -f, either win it fast or let the fight run long - as IS, time is on your side against other -f races.

Eventually you will get around 2000 resources per perfect green - not far short of your tpyical HG. You will have more worlds than them (better hab and hopefully, a substantially larger territory.) This takes a lot of the pressure off, making -f IS quite a low stress introduction to the world of the -f race. More expensive weapon components sucks though, especially for missiles - expect to be short on iron.

Are those the sort of tips you wanted?

[Updated on: Wed, 01 August 2007 01:17]

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