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2466: NAP

Thu, 19 April 2007 13:26

Altruist

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I was in a hurry. Sorry, when my comment sounded a bit rude... well, when rereading it I think it was rather rude.

At the moment it looks like within the Vorlon alliance those have the upper hand who think they should go directly vs the Shadows.

But as we have seen this attitude can change rather fast to "Let's kill off the IA first and then mob up the North".

While we do know that we can't really allow the Vorlon alliance to grow on, with all the warfleets we can see at the moment, we don't have a chance but to slow them down just a bit. That we have slowed them down vs the Drakh and Narn and that we have shown our willingness to fight... was quite important because it strengthened the "Don't get distracted with the IA - they aren't important"-opinion.

To cut it short:
Any agreement with the Vorlon alliance must make it easy for them to get to the Shadow alliance. Your suggested border cuts them off from the Shadows which leaves them whom to attack... us.

Thus the initial map of Andreas is still true. We must leave an easy corridor in the centre for the Vorlon alliance to pass thru.

And it's of no use to fight or negotiate for planets you have no chance of even somehow to defend. If it would be just Spoomun Complat I would easily give up my centre planets west of Ursa. But the Pak do need those planets there for development and without a kind of neutral zone Micha's HW is a bit too exposed which is the sole reason I am trying to negoitate a narrow intersettlement area in the centre.

Here a map with borders I would suggest:

http://stars.arglos.net/img/2466-nap.png

From south to north thats a border going thru:
Evergreen - Zucchini - Astair - Gornic - Prude

Llort planets in the centre: as is and no more
Llort doesn't lay minefields in the centre

This gives you the space you really possess and would fight for... vice versa Vorlons know to push for more they would have to fight for it.

And you don't give them free passage by setting them to friend because Vorlons plus allies have a wide corridor to push north, unhindered by minefields.

[Updated on: Thu, 19 April 2007 13:40]

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		Talking to the Elders - Vorlon By: Skaffen on Thu, 22 March 2007 01:06
		Re: Talking to the Elders - Vorlon By: AlexTheGreat on Thu, 22 March 2007 01:28
		Re: Talking to the Elders - Vorlon By: Skaffen on Tue, 27 March 2007 13:55
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		Re: Vorlon - SPOOmun Complat - Pak'ma'ra communication By: Micha on Tue, 27 March 2007 18:05
		NAP with Vorlons? By: Altruist on Thu, 29 March 2007 15:40
		Re: Vorlon - SPOOmun Complat - Pak'ma'ra communication By: Skaffen on Thu, 29 March 2007 15:45
		Re: Vorlon - SPOOmun Complat - Pak'ma'ra communication By: Altruist on Thu, 29 March 2007 18:09
		Re: Talking to the Elders - Vorlon By: Micha on Tue, 27 March 2007 16:06
		2460: SPOOmun Complat to Vorlons By: Altruist on Fri, 30 March 2007 14:39
		Re: 2460: SPOOmun Complat to Vorlons By: Micha on Sun, 01 April 2007 07:59
		Re: 2460: SPOOmun Complat to Vorlons By: AlexTheGreat on Sun, 01 April 2007 09:55
		NAP with Vorlons By: Altruist on Mon, 02 April 2007 15:11
		First answere from Vorlons about NAP By: Altruist on Thu, 05 April 2007 19:11
		Earth/Llort NAP discussions By: AlexTheGreat on Thu, 12 April 2007 10:50
		Re: Earth/Llort NAP discussions By: Altruist on Thu, 12 April 2007 18:38
		2465: Hyak - Spoo communication By: Altruist on Mon, 16 April 2007 09:54
		2465: Vorlons to IA By: Altruist on Tue, 17 April 2007 12:48
		2465: special message from Vorlons to Pak/Spoo By: Altruist on Tue, 17 April 2007 12:55
		2465: email communciation between Hyak and Spoo By: Altruist on Wed, 18 April 2007 21:18
		IA/VA NAP/Border Agreement By: AlexTheGreat on Thu, 19 April 2007 05:13
		Re: IA/VA NAP/Border Agreement By: Altruist on Thu, 19 April 2007 07:57
		Re: IA/VA NAP/Border Agreement By: AlexTheGreat on Thu, 19 April 2007 08:26
		2466: NAP By: Altruist on Thu, 19 April 2007 13:26
		Re: 2466: NAP By: Altruist on Thu, 19 April 2007 14:23
		Vorlon suggestion for the West By: Altruist on Thu, 19 April 2007 20:47
		Re: Vorlon suggestion for the West By: AlexTheGreat on Fri, 20 April 2007 02:51
		Proposed IA/VA NAP By: AlexTheGreat on Mon, 23 April 2007 23:01
		Re: Proposed IA/VA NAP By: Altruist on Tue, 24 April 2007 00:53
		Re: Proposed IA/VA NAP By: AlexTheGreat on Tue, 24 April 2007 03:23
		Re: Talking to the Elders - Vorlon By: Micha on Fri, 27 April 2007 09:21
		Re: Talking to the Elders - Vorlon By: Altruist on Fri, 27 April 2007 11:44
		Re: Talking to the Elders - Vorlon By: Micha on Fri, 27 April 2007 16:41

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