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2465: Vorlons to IA

Tue, 17 April 2007 12:48

Altruist

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2465: Vorlons to IA

Greetings

I was trying to negotiate a short term treaty that was advantageous to myself, in order for a treaty to work it should have some advantages to both sides so I was also hoping that it would have some advantage to you.

The Pac and Spoo negotiated in good faith and asked that I include the Gaim and Llort --- after much consideration we agreed but specified that in no way could the Drakh be included in any treaty. The Pac and Spoo proposed a border that was fairly reasonable (obviously they were drawing it to their advantage but that's a good stance at the start of negotiations) and we nearly came up with a counter proposal (Easter played havoc with our coms).

Gaim and Llort made no border proposals and carried on merrily colonising everything they could in the area that would be considered the disputed zone. I am assuming you were planning on the "ownership is 9/10ths of the law" type of negotiations --- if we were still negotiating I would use the "I have the force to control this space, you don't" type.

The crucial thing was the Llort announcement that the IA would not abandon the Drakh, this ended all negotiations as far as I am concerned. Your later addition of the Narn just made the IA the biggest threat (7 races), it was siding with the Drakh that started the war.

All along you seem to have misunderstood the level of enthusiasm for a NAP on our side, it was a nice to have, but we were not really that keen in giving up much if anything to get it. For us a NAP had the minimal benefit of making it a bit harder for the Shadows to stomp you and the small benefit that we didn't have to spend warships securing our space.

For you a NAP gave you a chance to step to one side while the 2 others fought and hope during that time that you caught up in power. Unless you have managed to get a NAP with the Shadows you are now in the position of being ground up from 2 sides. Even if you manage to do well against us you must also find some way of limiting the Shadows or still lose when they sneak a cloaked fleet past our reduced defences.

You needed the NAP more and were the weaker side in the bargaining --- you should not have demanded more and more concessions from us as with each thing you demanded attacking you became a more attractive option. (If the Gaim and Llort had poposed something like the Pac and Spoo did we might now be hammering out the final details of a NAP).

To make clear --- we are now in a state of War, if you do not like this I suggest you look for a proposal that has advantages for both sides and send it to us.

Vorlons

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		Talking to the Elders - Vorlon By: Skaffen on Thu, 22 March 2007 01:06
		Re: Talking to the Elders - Vorlon By: AlexTheGreat on Thu, 22 March 2007 01:28
		Re: Talking to the Elders - Vorlon By: Skaffen on Tue, 27 March 2007 13:55
		Vorlon - SPOOmun Complat - Pak'ma'ra communication By: Altruist on Tue, 27 March 2007 14:04
		Re: Vorlon - SPOOmun Complat - Pak'ma'ra communication By: Micha on Tue, 27 March 2007 18:05
		NAP with Vorlons? By: Altruist on Thu, 29 March 2007 15:40
		Re: Vorlon - SPOOmun Complat - Pak'ma'ra communication By: Skaffen on Thu, 29 March 2007 15:45
		Re: Vorlon - SPOOmun Complat - Pak'ma'ra communication By: Altruist on Thu, 29 March 2007 18:09
		Re: Talking to the Elders - Vorlon By: Micha on Tue, 27 March 2007 16:06
		2460: SPOOmun Complat to Vorlons By: Altruist on Fri, 30 March 2007 14:39
		Re: 2460: SPOOmun Complat to Vorlons By: Micha on Sun, 01 April 2007 07:59
		Re: 2460: SPOOmun Complat to Vorlons By: AlexTheGreat on Sun, 01 April 2007 09:55
		NAP with Vorlons By: Altruist on Mon, 02 April 2007 15:11
		First answere from Vorlons about NAP By: Altruist on Thu, 05 April 2007 19:11
		Earth/Llort NAP discussions By: AlexTheGreat on Thu, 12 April 2007 10:50
		Re: Earth/Llort NAP discussions By: Altruist on Thu, 12 April 2007 18:38
		2465: Hyak - Spoo communication By: Altruist on Mon, 16 April 2007 09:54
		2465: Vorlons to IA By: Altruist on Tue, 17 April 2007 12:48
		2465: special message from Vorlons to Pak/Spoo By: Altruist on Tue, 17 April 2007 12:55
		2465: email communciation between Hyak and Spoo By: Altruist on Wed, 18 April 2007 21:18
		IA/VA NAP/Border Agreement By: AlexTheGreat on Thu, 19 April 2007 05:13
		Re: IA/VA NAP/Border Agreement By: Altruist on Thu, 19 April 2007 07:57
		Re: IA/VA NAP/Border Agreement By: AlexTheGreat on Thu, 19 April 2007 08:26
		2466: NAP By: Altruist on Thu, 19 April 2007 13:26
		Re: 2466: NAP By: Altruist on Thu, 19 April 2007 14:23
		Vorlon suggestion for the West By: Altruist on Thu, 19 April 2007 20:47
		Re: Vorlon suggestion for the West By: AlexTheGreat on Fri, 20 April 2007 02:51
		Proposed IA/VA NAP By: AlexTheGreat on Mon, 23 April 2007 23:01
		Re: Proposed IA/VA NAP By: Altruist on Tue, 24 April 2007 00:53
		Re: Proposed IA/VA NAP By: AlexTheGreat on Tue, 24 April 2007 03:23
		Re: Talking to the Elders - Vorlon By: Micha on Fri, 27 April 2007 09:21
		Re: Talking to the Elders - Vorlon By: Altruist on Fri, 27 April 2007 11:44
		Re: Talking to the Elders - Vorlon By: Micha on Fri, 27 April 2007 16:41

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