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Re: BattleSim with arbitrary tech

Mon, 06 March 2006 06:03

m.a@stars

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Wow! I was not expecting such interest! Very Happy

wumpus wrote on Sun, 05 March 2006 12:18

m.a@stars wrote on Sun, 05 March 2006 10:40

Main automatable/boring tasks:

I think you underestimate the "human element" that goes into doing a stars! turn well Smile

Plus, I think a lot of these problems are fairly difficult AI problems; consider that stars! has been around, more or less unchanged in all but (comparatively) minor details, for over a decade, and there are still a fair few different viable race designs and play styles - testimony, IMO, that the vast majority of situations in stars! have no simple, always-correct solution.

I'm afraid you overestimate the scope of my concept of "automation". It would be closer to your own of "optimization" than to any true "Intelligent Agent" Rolling Eyes

I don't want to code a full AI (yet). What I want is to automate some checks and actions, the ones the player would/should be doing anyway. Very Happy

A "smart" script could yield a host of warnings, perhaps with proposed solutions. Another kind of script could automate, for example, the introduction on all planetary Qs of your latest "nubian-killer" design, taking care of, say, placing it after autobuild defenses at border planets with less than 100% defenses, but before anything else for the rest of your big worlds, while leaving your small colonies untouched. Weeding out all non-partially-built obsolete designs (as stated by the player) at the same time should be easy, too.

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What I have been pondering is an X file analyzer which will warn of *possibly* strange orders or make suggestions; it might spot stuff like sending damaged ships through gates such that they have a vanishingly small chance of surviving (because the player forgot to take the existing damage into account)

Or because the player forgot that some designs are heavier than others, yes. Wink

That would be one of the main roles of my envisioned "routing" helper.

Also, if we knew about fleet composition, it could suggest fuel xports for damaged or fuel-challenged fleets.

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or targetting an enemy fleet 1LY away from a planet when you may have meant to target the planet itself,

Trickier, that, but essential, too. Nod

I guess you'd need some kind of "popularity" counter for destinations assigned to fleets in the vicinity. Should leave room for allowing skirmishers and such, tho. Sherlock

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or chasing the MT at a speed which isn't going to work out,

That's not that frequent (or boring) an event. Still, it would be interesting, as well as interception calculations for common fleets, such as: Do I have the fuel? Will I catch them in one turn? Two? If they change course?

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or setting a fleet to improbable orders (I've slipped up and set layers to "patrol" rather than "lay" a few times, ouch ;P).

Heh. What about having your freighters "unload" all their cargo in open space because you loaded them manually and forgot to check the intermediate waypoints? Embarassed

I think much of that could be accomplished by assigning a role to each of your designs and letting a dumb beancounter script pore over the whole fleet listing.

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The scope for actually tampering with the players turn is fairly limited I fear :-/

Limited, hah. My current scripts are just outputting reams of "suggestions" for the player to heed (or not) and manually set up.

Pls explain, if you dare Wink

, what kinds of things can be done at the x file level: Changing planetary Qs? Speed adjustments for fleets? Routing destinations for planets? Packet warp speeds or destinations (at launch)? Changing waypoint orders?

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Another thing that could be useful: an analyzer for finding out things about enemy races:
- Collects data on all the ship designs you've seen and tries to extrapolate tech levels from that

That would be cool, yes. A small database on every race of the galaxy. Very Happy

As a starter, it would be nice to display exactly *when* you noticed for the first time an unknown ...

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		Player assistant "AI" By: wumpus on Sat, 04 March 2006 16:54
		Re: BattleSim with arbitrary tech By: m.a@stars on Sun, 05 March 2006 04:40
		Re: BattleSim with arbitrary tech By: wumpus on Sun, 05 March 2006 06:18
		Re: BattleSim with arbitrary tech By: Kotk on Mon, 06 March 2006 01:25
		Re: BattleSim with arbitrary tech By: m.a@stars on Mon, 06 March 2006 04:10
		Re: BattleSim with arbitrary tech By: Kotk on Mon, 06 March 2006 05:24
		Re: BattleSim with arbitrary tech By: m.a@stars on Mon, 06 March 2006 06:29
		Re: BattleSim with arbitrary tech By: Kotk on Mon, 06 March 2006 04:43
		Re: BattleSim with arbitrary tech By: m.a@stars on Mon, 06 March 2006 06:22
		Re: BattleSim with arbitrary tech By: Kotk on Mon, 06 March 2006 11:10
		Re: BattleSim with arbitrary tech By: m.a@stars on Mon, 06 March 2006 11:41
		Re: BattleSim with arbitrary tech By: BlueTurbit on Mon, 06 March 2006 11:52
		Re: BattleSim with arbitrary tech By: m.a@stars on Mon, 06 March 2006 12:03
		Re: BattleSim with arbitrary tech By: BlueTurbit on Mon, 06 March 2006 12:18
		Re: BattleSim with arbitrary tech By: m.a@stars on Tue, 07 March 2006 04:16
		Re: BattleSim with arbitrary tech By: m.a@stars on Mon, 06 March 2006 06:03
		Re: BattleSim with arbitrary tech By: wumpus on Mon, 06 March 2006 12:43
		Re: BattleSim with arbitrary tech By: m.a@stars on Tue, 07 March 2006 04:25
		Re: Player assistant "AI" By: joseph on Mon, 06 March 2006 17:06
		Re: Player assistant "AI" By: m.a@stars on Tue, 07 March 2006 04:37
		Re: Player assistant "AI" By: Kotk on Tue, 07 March 2006 14:25
		Re: Player assistant "AI" By: joseph on Tue, 07 March 2006 17:05
		Re: Player assistant "AI" By: Kotk on Tue, 07 March 2006 19:43
		Re: Player assistant "AI" By: m.a@stars on Wed, 08 March 2006 04:26
		Re: Player assistant "AI" By: m.a@stars on Wed, 08 March 2006 04:22
		Re: Player assistant "AI" By: Madman on Wed, 08 March 2006 00:48
		Re: Player assistant "AI" By: m.a@stars on Wed, 08 March 2006 04:33
		Re: Player assistant "AI" By: NingunOtro on Mon, 06 March 2006 21:22
		Re: Player assistant "AI" By: m.a@stars on Tue, 07 March 2006 04:44
		Re: Player assistant "AI" By: Kotk on Tue, 07 March 2006 14:08
		Re: Player assistant "AI" By: m.a@stars on Wed, 08 March 2006 04:17
		Re: Player assistant "AI" By: Kotk on Wed, 08 March 2006 08:49
		Re: Player assistant "AI" By: m.a@stars on Wed, 08 March 2006 09:41
		Re: Player assistant "AI" By: Kotk on Wed, 08 March 2006 13:37
		Re: Player assistant "AI" By: joseph on Wed, 08 March 2006 16:54
		Re: Player assistant "AI" By: m.a@stars on Thu, 09 March 2006 04:16
		Re: Player assistant "AI" By: Madman on Thu, 16 March 2006 06:45
		Re: Player assistant "AI" By: Kotk on Thu, 16 March 2006 12:40
		Re: Player assistant "AI" By: PricklyPea on Thu, 16 March 2006 12:49
		Re: Player assistant "AI" By: NingunOtro on Thu, 16 March 2006 19:26
		Re: Player assistant "AI" By: m.a@stars on Thu, 09 March 2006 04:07
		Re: Player assistant "AI" By: Kotk on Thu, 09 March 2006 08:16
		Re: Player assistant "AI" By: m.a@stars on Thu, 09 March 2006 12:04
		Re: Player assistant "AI" By: mazda on Wed, 15 March 2006 09:58
		Re: Player assistant "AI" By: m.a@stars on Wed, 15 March 2006 10:44

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