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 Added later but perhaps more interesting then the rest, a few thoughts on Albert Einstein and how people may have seen him as low IQ when young.

From (http://www.einstein-website.de/biography-e.htm):
Einstein's childhood was a normal one, except that to his family's irritation, he learnt to speak at a late age.

Einstein, being an average student, finished his studies with a diploma degree in July 1900

http://wa.essortment.com/biographyofein_rwdi.htm
His first headmaster reported that young Einstein would never amount to anything.

young Einstein was ‘ a lazy dog who never bothered about mathematics at all.’


I find it intersting that some are sure the current US president is dumb, based on logic that would also label Einstein dumb. Einstein left some famous religious quotes. I don't know whether Mr. Bush is smart or not so smart, what is motivations really are, etc. For all I know Mr. Bush could be an athiest who presents an image that grabs a certain religious demographic, just as his competition grabs a certain skin color demographic.

Also interesting that both Bush and Kerry openly admit to being part of Yale "Skull & Crossbones" secret society, though some news conspiracy sources only mention Bush with "Skull & Crossbones".


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Which could be rephrased to say that they start with lower expectations.



An assumption. Another that only partially explains the numbers that were is that dems are more commonly women and reps men and men tend to say more satisfied.

Game with assumptions/explainations is they are often only given when you DON'T like the data.

So for example, if someone wants monkey/ape man bones to be a big find he will not mention possibillity that humans made tools and fire and hunted or kept monkeys as pets. (As well, A skull + a few bones from one, plus tiny fragments of 7 others may may be represented as 8 specimens found in such a way that impression of 8 somewhat complete sets of bones were found).

An assumption/possible explaination for the IQ by state is Urban areas tend to have more 'welfare moms, etc' who always vote dem and skew results.

A fairer test MIGHT be a random survey/iq test of known party card holders, both reps and dems. If such a test yielded an even score neither side would want to use the results

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The problem with surveys is that people confuse them with statistics

Most statistics are based on surveys/partial data rather than complete. For example the claimed IQ by state was likely not a measure of all people in each state. And measuring IQ is done by asking a limited number of questions, a small biased survey of a person's knowledge/problem solving/wisdom.

IQ measurements favour those who are used to being asked those sort of questions in that sort of manner, those who spend more time in school. A person who has practice understanding and solving tests with written pattern questions will do better on that part of IQ test.

A different sort of IQ test might be throwing people in a wilderness and see which figure out how to survive, do basic tasks such as make fire and tools from scratch. Suddenly the rural areas may seem to have a higher IQ than the urban.

[Updated on: Thu, 11 November 2004 12:30]

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