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Re: Skill ranking (was RE: Mentorship) Thu, 25 March 2004 09:12 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Crusader wrote:

If we are trying to create a Stars! ladder, and that's all it can be because you will never get everyone to subscribe to this, and you are going to do it with multi-player PBEM games (no one has mentioned another way just yet), then you have to "weigh" a lot of game factors to get anywhere close to an accurate, honest method of rating players in your multi-player games ladder.

Seems to me that yes, this would be a ladder; however, a ladder consisting of at least a good portion of the Stars! gamers who do web-play... It is impossible to know how many web games actually exist at one time; however, autohost must be the most centralized collection of Stars! web-games.

If a rating system was started here, then eventually a goodly portion of the Stars! players would be rated more or less.

But, concerning the reason.
Discrimination; yes, some players would say they will not play in a Stars! game with an average level below 5.

However, this group would have to be a dying breed. If they limit themselves to games in this category, the population of players available to them would be extremely limited. Also, they limit fresh perspectives, personally, I have no misconception that a starting player has nothing to contribute to my views of strategy and tactics within Stars! They need some guidance but you also don't want to squelch their possible contributions.

My first net game was with Art Lathrop as host and most of the players were well seasoned intermediates or better. I provided no competition within the game; however, I learned a lot through observation, and I lasted to the end-game (probably through the good graces of the players involved, which is rare in a Stars! game.)

The nature of the rating system is such that the value of the game is not determined until after the players have signed up. The host can "say" he wants an intermediate game, but how often does a host get ALL intermediates in a game? And how can a player know what the weight of the game truly will be until the game value has been determined and the game has ostensibly started?

Yes, there have been many attempts at setting up a player ranking/rating system throughout the years. But the Stars! sites in general are extremely unstable, and perhaps the ranking systems were not flexible and simple enough to ensure their use.

The beauty of this free-form ranking system is that the input can be any Stars! net-game and the inputs are minimal (average of players involved) and the outputs are also minimal (top 20%, bottom 20%.)

And thinking about it, even my weird games, Octagon, 12Gates, President, TicTacToe could also be rated based on ranking because it is usually the top placing players who are in a position to satisfy the requirements of a win. Therefore ranking output would still be similar.
Crusader wrote:

Seems to me, if we are wanting to promote the game, we could best employ our time by greeting new users through PM's as we see them sign up. We're chatty people. Some folks ain't gonna open their mouths unless one of us talks to them first. I for one am going to greet new sign ups and encourage them to participate in the forum and to sign up for games. Look throught the member list sometime when you have the time. There are members who have been on the rolls for years and never posted a message. For all I know, they have never played a game. I wish to alter that.

This is good and I already do it Wink

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