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2Imm vs 3Imm for a low grow HE

Sat, 27 July 2024 15:17

Matthewt

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Location: Canada

Having played around with various low growth HE designs, I am curious about the "best" (or "least bad") way to go about it.
For a low growth rate (4-6%) HE, is it better to go with a standard 3 immune race or one replacing one of the immunities (probably either Radiation or Temp) with a very wide bar instead?
You get back a large amount of RW points to put into econ/growth% and still get a lot of habitable planets (and you don't really need to terraform most worlds until after you get your economy online...)

[Updated on: Sat, 27 July 2024 15:18]

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Re: 2Imm vs 3Imm for a low grow HE

Tue, 30 July 2024 05:09

iztok

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Registered: April 2003
Location: Slovenia, Europe

Hi!
After consulting with RW and HabCalc I'd say it's not worth losing one immunity.

The 3-immune 6% HE is already quick at ramp-up. Now losing one immunity (just un-clicking immunity) I can aford only 1 percent higher PGR. But the resulting race will suddenly have only 41% breeders (over 75% hab) and average hab of only 77%. Which means its PGR (10.8%) is already lower than that of 3-imm 6% AND it needs to do some terra to get better planets. Terra that costs resources that should go into infra.

OTOH I could be wrong. Do testbeds in the same uni with both races and make notes about tech, planets, pop, resources and minerals. Just make sure the uni is not "biased": amount of breeders among scouted planets should not go much above 41% for the 2-immune race.

BR, Iztok

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Re: 2Imm vs 3Imm for a low grow HE

Wed, 31 July 2024 10:03

Matthewt

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Registered: July 2024
Location: Canada

Thanks for responding!

In hindsight, that does somewhat make sense. I was thinking that the extra points could net me better factory & mine settings (alongside widening the hab range to partially offset the loss of breeders), but the tradeoff of terraforming & lower overall planet value would probably be counterproductive. Even with temp 4 clicks from the edge (-184-184°C), your average planet hab w/o terraforming is only around 79% (with 60% or so of planets being initial breeders), so a stock 5% 3imm race would probably be better due to having comparable growth & giving more points.

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Re: 2Imm vs 3Imm for a low grow HE

Fri, 02 August 2024 23:47

magic9mushroom

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Matthewt wrote on Sun, 28 July 2024 05:17

Having played around with various low growth HE designs, I am curious about the "best" (or "least bad") way to go about it.
For a low growth rate (4-6%) HE, is it better to go with a standard 3 immune race or one replacing one of the immunities (probably either Radiation or Temp) with a very wide bar instead?
You get back a large amount of RW points to put into econ/growth% and still get a lot of habitable planets (and you don't really need to terraform most worlds until after you get your economy online...)

The thing about low-growth races is that there's a "no-man's land" between 7-12% growth (with the worst of it at 8-10%). Dropping from 13% to 10% growth gives less points than normal, but dropping from 8% to 6% gives huge buckets of points, so you're always strongly incentivised to get out of "no-man's land". This is what truly separates the two sorts of HE (and what puts a lower limit on reasonable growth rates for AR).

The thing is, you can still get all three immunities at 6% or even 7%, so dropping one isn't worth it - you want to max out your effective growth rate without increasing your nominal growth rate into "no-man's land". Bi-immunity might be worth it on a factoryless HE above "no-man's land" (the alternative being single immunity), but not below.

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