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Re: Joat, the non-boring PRT |
Fri, 30 April 2004 17:38 |
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Crusader | | Officer Cadet 2nd Year | Messages: 233
Registered: January 2003 Location: Dixie Land | |
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Well, I think he is saying that he gets enough resources out of pop growth alone to get his PVTs in time to start moving pop, since he prefers HG settings in his races.
I would agree with that ok as a general statement.
With HP settings, and hopefully wide-hab, I would either be using medium freighters for the first and closest green worlds until my factories can get caught up and then move to PVTs, or I would start out with the tech 4 check box checked.
But, HEY!, I never play JOAT, so WHO CARES!
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Re: Joat, the non-boring PRT |
Thu, 30 June 2005 18:18 |
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XyliGUN | | | Messages: 325
Registered: July 2004 Location: Russia, St.Petersburg |
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Well, here is one more (but not so new) design. I'd just finish on second place with that race (game "Lessons From the Past"):
Name: The Plutonians
PRT: JoAT
LRT: IFE, NRSE, OBRM, NAS, LSP
G:0,24;4,16 T:-136;136 R:16;56 19%
1000
12-9-13
[ ] - no cost 1 kt less
12-3-13
Weap, Con - low
Other - high
I have no problem with resources or minerals all the game ...
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Re: Joat, the non-boring PRT |
Sat, 02 July 2005 03:15 |
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LSP only really delay's your growth but a turn or two. For a 15%(30%) growth HE only one turn's delay. For anyone else at 15% its almost exactly 2 turns. more if you have lower growth. With 20% growth its "theoretically" 1.44 turns, with is effectively 2 turns. if you're after a quick kill this might be a difference but for most games being 2 turns growth behind isn't that much of a disadvantage. Naturally everything else will be two turns behind too since pop is the measure for it all.
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Re: Joat, the non-boring PRT |
Sat, 02 July 2005 07:50 |
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m.a@stars | | Commander | Messages: 2768
Registered: October 2004 Location: Third star to the left | |
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Hi,
crr65536 wrote on Sat, 02 July 2005 02:38 | You didn't have problems due to LSP? Interesting. I had been under the impression that LSP is a much larger handicap than it seems because of compounding.
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I have found that most often than not (PGR>16%, OBRM), my pop grows too fast for my colonizers and early movers to spread in a timely manner, causing an early slowdown.
LSP tends to delay pop growth just about the couple turns I need to really start moving, so it does not hurt my JoaTs too much.
Of course, if I found a better way to do things or take points from, I'd probably forget about LSP at all. If we were talking QS or duel, or living anywhere too crowded, LSP would be worse still...
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Re: Joat, the non-boring PRT |
Fri, 23 February 2007 20:02 |
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Carn wrote on Fri, 23 February 2007 06:13 |
Verker wrote on Sun, 09 February 2003 14:17 |
The Joat are by no means a boring PRT
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well, 3 threads in 3 years sounds different.
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They are a straightforward and easily understood PRT.
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Re: Joat, the non-boring PRT |
Fri, 27 June 2008 21:57 |
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Soobie | | Officer Cadet 3rd Year | Messages: 270
Registered: May 2007 Location: Australia | |
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If JoaT started with 58 more RW points and received 0 points for NAS they would be ideal. Dammit.
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Re: Joat, the non-boring PRT |
Sun, 04 December 2016 00:53 |
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magic9mushroom | | Commander | Messages: 1369
Registered: May 2008 | |
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I've had this sneaking suspicion for years that IS actually outgrows JoaT and thus that the NAS ban on JoaT is kinda unfair (in non-economic traits I'm pretty sure IS has the advantage; it's got the croby, tachyons, cheaper defences, anti-popdrop, and fuel transport up against cheap NAS-proof penscans and a jump start).
One of these days, when I'm finished my current test, I guess I'll have to try to test their econ strength. Figuring out how to do that will, of course, be a frickin' nightmare. But if it comes out the way I think, maybe we can overturn this tradition of hobbling JoaT.
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Re: Joat, the non-boring PRT |
Wed, 18 January 2017 09:07 |
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nmid wrote on Sun, 15 January 2017 05:56I agree with you saying IS is stronger than JOAT...
Mmmh, really?
If there were a duel between IS and JoaT, played by comparable players... my bet would be on the JoaT.
As a matter of fact, my bet would be on the JoaT against all PRTs.
My bet would only change when the game parameter changed to a bigger universe and a longer game.
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Re: Joat, the non-boring PRT |
Wed, 18 January 2017 09:35 |
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I would tend to agree, as the IS really works well with stalling towards the end game and using diplomacy until it is absolutely necessary. In a duel that option isn't entirely available as aggression starts from the very beginning.
Jack of All Trades on the other hand are very well rounded start with pen scans (earlier "snapshot" of key planets), potential for superior starting tech advantage, a significant boost to all planet capacity, and as a result doesn't require a significant level of MM to get a very potent planet from the very beginning.
Toss in the fact that JoAT do not have a cost penalty for using weapons, it would go without saying that they'd not only have the better early and aggressive economy, but more affordable weapons to maintain it. It would be a tense match though, and I'd love to be proven wrong. Anybody willing to test this theory? Sadly I'm tied up and sadly by no means an "expert"! LoL
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Re: Joat, the non-boring PRT |
Sun, 22 January 2017 10:32 |
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Hi ,
Joat is still one of the flexiblest race and much stronger then a IS.
But I am sure if someone wants a handicap for IS he is free to take one.
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