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Re: Craving some Stars! |
Fri, 25 May 2007 02:52 |
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Serial numbers are available by asking Ron.
The willingness to use a crack does however worry me. This community would never provide a crack so lucky serials are being given away.
I would have been much happier had you asked where you could buy a serial.
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Re: Craving some Stars! |
Fri, 25 May 2007 07:48 |
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NingunOtro | | Master Chief Petty Officer | Messages: 105
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There we go again...
I wholeheartedly agree with Alex, except there where he supposes the behavio(u)r of this community is written in stone.
Certainly, Ron's point of view is cristal-clear and I suppose quite a few core members agree with him, and this has marked the topic more or less as taboo on the Home World Forum, but I would not daresay this is the feeling of the whole community, i'm afraid. There are lots of places where Ron's point of view (coincident with that of many more, of course) has no influence.
Even here on the forums, nobody can avoid the topic from surfacing again once in a while as new people keep asking the wrong questions without bothering browsing around first to get the general feeling. Or, as happens in this case, even despite the fact that they get the feeling...
Craving for some Stars! is right... damn right! But as Alex points out... we'd be happy if it was also done the right way.
It takes less than 6$ to get a valid serial from Ron... so while words, even semi-respectfull ones, are for free, one can only end up considering DMcD's craving isn't worth 6$ to him, nor is it worth a serious search on the internet, where enough valid serials can be found these days, if only willing to test enough of them while you find the wrong places.
Anyway, welcome DMcD, and I sure wish you'd opt to ask Ron for a serial, as cracks are likely to work on your own patched copy of Stars!, but hardly can fool the copy that generates the games hosted on Autohost.
Showcasing what a big effort you have been making to get a working copy of Stars! does however not contribute towards establishing how reliable you could be as a player, when circumstances may get tough or even only not to your liking. Easy dropins... make easy dropouts.
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Re: Craving some Stars! |
Fri, 25 May 2007 10:19 |
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I would prefer if everyone isn't so harsh on D_Mc_D. He has asked a valid question and asked it in the right place. We in the Stars! community welcome new players and returning old players. It is quite natural for someone to look for a serial number generator of some type (or a serial number) if they have lost their serial number and have not found any way of obtaining a new one, for a copy of software that is no longer available. I can not fault D_Mc_D for trying to get his Stars! working if he has had a valid serieal number earlier.
All that being said, here is the link for the information on getting a new serial number from Ron:
Stars Must Know > Getting Serial Numbers
Ptolemy
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Re: Craving some Stars! |
Mon, 28 May 2007 16:44 |
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D_Mc_D | | Crewman 3rd Class | Messages: 8
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I read about the serials before I posted, but I was hoping someone would help me and I wouldn't have to pay blood money for illegal serials.
If he wants money for the site, he should ask for donations from the regulars. If he wants to stop cheaters he should make everyone register to play games on autohost. If he wants to help the community then he should give serials away for free for everybody and not hinder access to the game.
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Re: Craving some Stars! |
Mon, 28 May 2007 16:55 |
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D_Mc_D | | Crewman 3rd Class | Messages: 8
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AlexTheGreat wrote on Fri, 25 May 2007 02:52 |
The willingness to use a crack does however worry me.
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Are you serious? Any rational PC gamer uses cracks to play the hopelessly crippled games they buy. My notebook doesn't have "standard" hardware and half the games I buy won't even run until I get the cracks for them.
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Re: Craving some Stars! |
Mon, 28 May 2007 21:12 |
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D_Mc_D | | Crewman 3rd Class | Messages: 8
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mlaub wrote on Mon, 28 May 2007 20:55 |
Crippled in what way? I purchase all my games, and have never noticed a problem. I am curious what you mean.
-Matt
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Well, I recently got Advanced Battlegrounds aka Chrome in Europe (don't know why they changed the name) and after installing it would only ctd. After I installed the crack and it ran fine, the security software they added to it was screwing it up and it wouldn't let the game run.
I had the same problems with Settlers III, I sent them an email telling them how crap their software protection is, then they sent me an email back asking for a copy of the crack because other people were having the same problem!
I had another game, forget which one, but it used to take 3-4 minutes to load, again after installing a crack to take out the copy proctection it then loaded straight away.
You also get the convenience of not swapping discs constantly.
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Re: Craving some Stars! |
Mon, 28 May 2007 22:08 |
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mlaub | | Lieutenant | Messages: 744
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D_Mc_D wrote on Mon, 28 May 2007 20:12 |
Well, I recently got Advanced Battlegrounds aka Chrome in Europe (don't know why they changed the name) and after installing it would only ctd. After I installed the crack and it ran fine...
You also get the convenience of not swapping discs constantly.
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Ah, Ok. Agreed. I have not experienced these problems myself, but have read the forums on enough games I play that I understand you have a legit gripe. Many people supposedly have actually had serious unrecoverable hardware issues with some of these protections. Most game programmers want nothing to do with this type of protection scheme. It's added later.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarForce
Keep in mind that Stars employs none of that type of protection scheme. You don't need a disk to play it, as a matter of fact I have it installed on 3 computers and 2 USB drives (I am the only one who plays it from these computers and devices). And, 6 bucks is almost insignificant, compared to how much entertainment you can get from this game. I paid $20, and if my tally is correct, I passed the "1cent/hour played" mark a couple years ago.
I hope you buy it. We need more players!
-Matt
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Re: Craving some Stars! |
Mon, 28 May 2007 22:25 |
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D_Mc_D | | Crewman 3rd Class | Messages: 8
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I never had the patience for playing against other people, someone would always run away with the game, or drop out or what not.
I liked using either ARM/IT or ARM/SS and fighting against 15 Expert HE and then KILL KILL KILL
I bought the game ages ago from Tuomas, who sold it legit. I object to buying from someone because he has a secret keygen, even if he has good intentions, it's still profiteering.
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Re: Craving some Stars! |
Mon, 28 May 2007 23:34 |
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D_Mc_D wrote on Mon, 28 May 2007 22:25 | I object to buying from someone because he has a secret keygen, even if he has good intentions, it's still profiteering.
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Profiteering it certainly is not!
AFAIK Ron runs Autohost as a free service & has done so for some years. The $6 simply help to defray some of his costs - the income from supplying serials nets very little.
Having said that, it's a shame you're not interested in playing against other players D_Mc_D - that's where the game really excels. A number of beginner games have started recently & I expect there will be more. If you do decide to try a game you will find that there are usually people to provide advice.
You should not sign up if you don't think you could stick it out tho since everyone dislikes dropouts (without a good reason - doing poorly is not a good reason).
BTW my brother's name is Don McDonald but he doesn't play computer games.
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Re: Craving some Stars! |
Tue, 29 May 2007 04:51 |
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m.a@stars | | Commander | Messages: 2765
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D_Mc_D wrote on Mon, 28 May 2007 22:44 | I read about the serials before I posted, but I was hoping someone would help me and I wouldn't have to pay blood money for illegal serials.
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Don't pay for illegal serials, then. Ask Ron, or post to rgcs.
Quote: | If he wants money for the site, he should ask for donations from the regulars.
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He does that too, and you're on the way to becoming a regular, otherwise why would you need a serial?
Quote: | If he wants to stop cheaters he should make everyone register to play games on autohost.
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That's a task for each game Host. Ron doesn't decide who signs up to each game, or who gets banned (in their current or future games). Hosts do.
Quote: | If he wants to help the community then he should give serials away for free for everybody and not hinder access to the game.
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You can play solo (or with a few friends) with googled serials. Ron is not hindering you.
OTOH, Ron provides a reliable source for Patches, utilities, Forums and game hosting for free, and has been doing so for years. If you can do better, I'm all ears.
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Re: Craving some Stars! |
Tue, 29 May 2007 05:55 |
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m.a@stars | | Commander | Messages: 2765
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D_Mc_D wrote on Tue, 29 May 2007 04:25 | I object to buying from someone because he has a secret keygen, even if he has good intentions, it's still profiteering.
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No, it isn't, because the publisher was contacted and they didn't object, and the game creators themselves were contacted and said go ahead
You can (at least in theory) find that keygen elsewhere, but then you'd never be sure of avoiding serial problems when playing against other ppl, a service (key uniqueness) that Ron provides too.
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Re: Craving some Stars! |
Tue, 29 May 2007 09:28 |
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NingunOtro | | Master Chief Petty Officer | Messages: 105
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m.a@stars wrote on Tue, 29 May 2007 11:55 | You can (at least in theory) find that keygen elsewhere, but then you'd never be sure of avoiding serial problems when playing against other ppl, a service (key uniqueness) that Ron provides too.
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To be able to provide this kind of service (key uniqueness) Ron needs a database with every serial that has ever been validly issued, which perhaps the Jeffs could have provided, so that any new serial generated by him can be discarded if it is a duplicate of one already present in the database.
Having this kind of database, he can claim that any serial he issues is legit and legal because in case of any conflict with an identical serial not in the database the other guy is to blame.
Without the database from the Jeffs, he can have his own to make sure he does not issue twice the same serial, but he can not claim uniqueness because he can not discard serials he has no record of. In this case the only service he can provide is a REPLACEMENT offer should conflict with one of his serials occur.
Still, he would not know whether the conflict is against a previously valid serial issued by the Jeffs (unique or one of their abundant rogue duplicates), or against a pirate serial issued by a rogue generator as the one he is using himself now.
So, unless someone tells me wrong (and I'd like to be), Ron provides replaceability (and respectability, yes), not uniqueness.
In fact, NOBODY can offer key uniqueness, ever. Not without a legal and binding NON-DISCLOSURE agreement being signed on purchase of the serial... that is not going to be honored by many anyway.
Tecnically, and only in as far as playing on Autohost is concerned, he can implement, and probably has done so, a few pre-gen checks to make sure no duplicate serials with different machine code hashes enter the same game. But this is merely a service (no doubt a very valuable one) provided by Autohost to avoid hosted games from being spoiled by the use of duplicate serial numbers, no matter what their origin is.
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Re: Craving some Stars! |
Tue, 29 May 2007 10:29 |
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I doubt it is much about profits when Ron writes:Quote: | a donation of upto US$6
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Notice also the upto.
As far as I recall Ron wrote somehwere that his reasons were:
# discouraging multis
# keeping track on serial numbers and ensuring that everybody uses a different one
So, to calm everybody down, what about just messaging Ron and asking him wether $1 would suit him as well?
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Re: Craving some Stars! |
Tue, 29 May 2007 15:03 |
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NingunOtro | | Master Chief Petty Officer | Messages: 105
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Of course, REPLACING any conflicting serial he has issued, being "his" serials, is all that matters as far as Ron is concerned.
But you mentioned the service as "(key uniqueness)", which is something completely different and that in no way can be provided by Ron. Key uniqueness is the assurance that no other identical serial can be found around. Obviously, if he has no control over legally issued serials by the Jeffs, nor duplicates of these, and neither can control the existance of fraudulently generated serials by other owners of generators, he can not offer key uniqueness. Not only can he not control duplicates, other than taking care of not issueing any serial number twice, but he WILL eventually generate duplicates of already existing legit (and non-legit, of course) serial numbers, and that is why he HAS to offer replaceability should this occur.
My comment was not meant to be interpreted as a critique to the service Ron offers, which is outstanding and can not be praised enough, but to avoid that people understand the service he can offer wrong because of your inapropiate use of the term "key uniqueness". Just a correction before misinterpretation of your words by others causes any trouble.
Nothing personal against you or anybody else either, just plain logic.
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Re: Craving some Stars! |
Tue, 29 May 2007 16:39 |
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m.a@stars | | Commander | Messages: 2765
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NingunOtro wrote on Tue, 29 May 2007 21:03 | Of course, REPLACING any conflicting serial he has issued, being "his" serials, is all that matters as far as Ron is concerned.
But you mentioned the service as "(key uniqueness)", which is something completely different and that in no way can be provided by Ron. Key uniqueness is the assurance that no other identical serial can be found around. Obviously, if he has no control over legally issued serials by the Jeffs, nor duplicates of these, and neither can control the existance of fraudulently generated serials by other owners of generators, he can not offer key uniqueness. Not only can he not control duplicates, other than taking care of not issueing any serial number twice, but he WILL eventually generate duplicates of already existing legit (and non-legit, of course) serial numbers, and that is why he HAS to offer replaceability should this occur.
My comment was not meant to be interpreted as a critique to the service Ron offers, which is outstanding and can not be praised enough, but to avoid that people understand the service he can offer wrong because of your inapropiate use of the term "key uniqueness". Just a correction before misinterpretation of your words by others causes any trouble.
Nothing personal against you or anybody else either, just plain logic.
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Rally against your own interpretation all you want, if that's what makes you happy. No one with at least a hint about how Stars copy-protection or AH works could possibly mistake my description of Ron's valuable (and simple) service, even if you pull them out of context.
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Re: Craving some Stars! |
Wed, 30 May 2007 04:46 |
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m.a@stars | | Commander | Messages: 2765
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NingunOtro wrote on Wed, 30 May 2007 09:23 | It is not those who know, but the rest of the people that can get confused by your wording.
If you can not stand being corrected, you have a problem I can not be bothered about.
Guess I'll enter silent mode again... untill something coherent can be said without atracting incoherent rants.
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What I cannot stand is being incorrectly corrected.
Serials and repeated serials and serial problems and serials au chocolat have been extensively discussed elsewhere in AH and in rgcs for years.
Anyone interested in Stars serials or keygens or in playing Stars itself cannot possibly believe that my terse definition, conveniently written before its handy summarization is the same as your all-encompassing dream of an impossible planetary database of serials, which is NOT my problem, nor this thread's subject, no matter how hard you try to make it so.
Learn to read. It comes before logic, as is logical.
Please go misinterpret someone else's words, or even better, go back to silent mode until you have something coherent to say.
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Re: Craving some Stars! |
Wed, 30 May 2007 09:06 |
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NingunOtro | | Master Chief Petty Officer | Messages: 105
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You did not write that much that could be misinterpreted...
"You can (at least in theory) find that keygen elsewhere, but then you'd never be sure of avoiding serial problems when playing against other ppl, a service (key uniqueness) that Ron provides too. Cool"
¿What is there to interprete?
1) IF keygen elsewhere THEN never sure of avoiding serial problems.
You make it look as if the inverse should be true, and it isn't
IF keygen here THEN sure of avoiding serial problems, is NOT true
2) Playing against other people and key uniqueness
Playing against other people does occur at many more places than AH.
On Autohost, Ron can eventually check for serial collisions and temporally or even permanently substitute colliding ones if he finds out one of them was issued by him to one of the players. Either substituting only internally on AH, or giving a permanent new serial to the player. If only internally, an 'illusión' of key uniqueness can be created on AH. Going even a little bit further, providing this kind of substitution by default to each of the possible 16 players, without distinguishing between serials issued by him or not, can create a certain service called "key uniqueness", by simply discarding any serial provided by any player and using 16 different ones internally. These options are the only ones that guarantee hasslefree gameplay... on AH. If Ron substitutes only serials he issued himself, he guarantees none of these will be the culprit, but can't avoid 2 other identical serials not issued by him to be troublesome, though he could act preventively any way he likes to solve the problem, either internally or contacting the infringing players. If he substitutes all, obviously then never in any case will a conflict arise.
Be aware, before you misinterpret and reply, that all the above alternatives concerning AH are theoretical constructs, and that I have no way whatsoever to assume none, any or some of them are being or will ever be applied in practice. As far as I am concerned, I do not know a damn thing about the actual inner workings of AH.
Now, outside Autohost, Ron can NOT avoid serial problems preventively... or perhaps you used another inapropiate word and wrote "avoid" where you meant "correct" or "solve". Not having any problem, is not equal to potentially having them and being sure to be able to solve them if they arise. It is not the same for one as the troublesome player, and it certainly isn't for the other players involved.
Definitely, you can not read correctly. I have no "all-encompassing dream of an impossible planetary database of serials", as you would like to endorse me. A simple IF THEN construct with two negative clauses... ¿and all you can do to mask you did not understand is talk about dreams?
The database is certainly NOT POSSIBLE. And subsequently, IF (NO DATABASE) THEN (NO UNIQUE SERIAL SERVICE). Not more, but not less either.
Now YOU go back to logic courses, and do not try to be smart making my possible silence look like an acceptance of your last interpretation.
And I'm sorry, but as this has gone far enough as it is, you can go on if you wish... without me.
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Re: Craving some Stars! |
Wed, 30 May 2007 09:52 |
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m.a@stars | | Commander | Messages: 2765
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NingunOtro wrote on Wed, 30 May 2007 15:06 | You did not write that much that could be misinterpreted...
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Luckily for me, or your "interpretations" would be 3 pages long.
Quote: | 1) IF keygen elsewhere THEN never sure of avoiding serial problems.
You make it look as if the inverse should be true, and it isn't
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Only if you're a barracks lawyer.
Quote: | IF keygen here THEN sure of avoiding serial problems, is NOT true
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What makes you think you can/should extrapolate from "Serials here" to "serials everywhere"? Or even worse, from "unique serials here" to "unique serials everywhere"? Nowhere is Ron hailed as having god-like powers over the whole planet or even the whole subset of Stars players. Yet you want to hammer out a Code of Laws to make damn sure noone in the whole universe gets mistaken.
Tell you what, if anyone with enough endurance to read all this gets confused, it will be thanks to your enjoyable posts affirming there's a possibility of confusion. Good job, lawyer.
Quote: | 2) Playing against other people and key uniqueness
Playing against other people does occur at many more places than AH.
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Which is definitely not our concern here. We're talking about a keygen, not about Battle.net (much as we would like )
Quote: | perhaps you used another inapropiate word and wrote "avoid" where you meant "correct" or "solve".
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The Gods forbid, or there'd already be a dozen lawsuits against me.
Quote: | Not having any problem, is not equal to potentially having them and being sure to be able to solve them if they arise.
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Hence "avoid" as opposed to "correct" or "solve"
Quote: | A simple IF THEN construct with two negative clauses...
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Plus a whole page of unrelated drosh. As if the faulty premises of your "simple construct" weren't bad enough.
Putting your words in my mouth (or should I clarify? in my fingers!) won't help you get your point (if you have one) thru.
Whatever irks you, please leave it outside the perfectly plain, understandable and useful thread we were having here.
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