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Re: Known Cheats

Thu, 17 April 2014 01:56

magic9mushroom

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m.a@stars wrote on Thu, 17 April 2014 03:05

Are you sure about that? Perhaps you meant "a ship that can take..."

No, I meant EXACTLY what I said. All "mine damage tanking" (or, for that matter, mine damage dodge) can do is reduce the damage from mines to a ship to the minimum, the same minimum that it would get were there 5+ ships in the fleet. You cannot save ships (like frigates/minibombers/SFXes) that cannot take a minehit as part of a fleet. You can only save ships like DDs that can't take a hit on their own but can as part of a (larger) fleet. As such, your logic that a ship which can't take a minehit on its own "shouldn't be allowed to do so" because of a ship sharing the hit is in conflict with the way mine damage is designed - you can reduce the damage to ships by spreading out the hit, and this is an intended feature.

Okay, let me start from the beginning. The two numbers given for mines are "minimum damage per ship" and "minimum damage per fleet". Thus, the intended function of mine damage is that a fleet always takes at least the latter amount of total damage, and each ship takes at least the former amount (potentially raising the total above the "minimum damage per fleet"). Mine damage "tanking" does not invalidate either of these numbers - each ship takes at least the "minimum damage per ship", and the damage dealt to the fleet is at least the "minimum damage per fleet". All that happens is that you shuffle around exactly what takes exactly how much damage within those limits. Mine damage dodge, on the other hand, invalidates the second number; it exploits the code so that the damage dealt to the fleet is LESS than the given "minimum damage per fleet", by assigning damage to ships that are already dead.

Thus, mine damage dodge is banned as an unintended exploit which violates the intended rules, while "tanking" is legitimate use of knowing the algorithm code.

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		Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Wed, 12 February 2014 05:19
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Wed, 12 February 2014 09:39
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Tue, 18 February 2014 04:32
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Wed, 12 February 2014 09:45
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Tue, 18 February 2014 04:38
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Tue, 18 February 2014 06:36
		Re: Known Cheats By: craebild on Tue, 18 February 2014 12:27
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Wed, 12 February 2014 12:06
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Wed, 12 February 2014 12:17
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Wed, 12 February 2014 12:46
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Wed, 12 February 2014 13:13
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Thu, 13 February 2014 07:19
		Re: Known Cheats By: magic9mushroom on Tue, 18 February 2014 20:45
		Re: Known Cheats By: Altruist on Thu, 20 February 2014 13:34
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Thu, 20 February 2014 17:19
		Re: Known Cheats By: nmid on Fri, 21 February 2014 02:01
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Tue, 25 February 2014 05:52
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Tue, 25 February 2014 06:55
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Wed, 26 February 2014 14:05
		Re: Known Cheats By: magic9mushroom on Wed, 26 February 2014 07:46
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Wed, 26 February 2014 14:00
		Re: Known Cheats By: nmid on Wed, 26 February 2014 17:44
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Fri, 21 March 2014 08:08
		Re: Known Cheats By: Altruist on Fri, 21 February 2014 09:09
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Fri, 21 February 2014 11:09
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Tue, 25 February 2014 05:42
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Fri, 23 May 2014 05:18
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Fri, 23 May 2014 06:07
		Re: Known Cheats By: magic9mushroom on Fri, 23 May 2014 06:49
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Fri, 23 May 2014 06:51
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Fri, 23 May 2014 07:07
		Re: Known Cheats By: Anonymous Coward on Fri, 23 May 2014 16:23
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Sat, 24 May 2014 15:18
		Re: Known Cheats By: Coyote on Thu, 10 April 2014 20:20
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Thu, 10 April 2014 21:04
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Fri, 11 April 2014 05:03
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Fri, 11 April 2014 13:28
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Fri, 11 April 2014 15:25
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Fri, 11 April 2014 16:33
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Fri, 11 April 2014 17:38
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Fri, 11 April 2014 22:18
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Sat, 12 April 2014 02:07
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Sat, 12 April 2014 07:46
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Sat, 12 April 2014 16:21
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Sat, 12 April 2014 16:17
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Fri, 11 April 2014 16:02
		Re: Known Cheats By: magic9mushroom on Sun, 13 April 2014 20:37
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Mon, 14 April 2014 13:54
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Mon, 14 April 2014 15:45
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Tue, 15 April 2014 04:48
		Re: Known Cheats By: nmid on Thu, 17 April 2014 12:11
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Thu, 17 April 2014 13:25
		Re: Known Cheats By: nmid on Thu, 17 April 2014 13:37
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Fri, 18 April 2014 13:07
		Re: Known Cheats By: magic9mushroom on Fri, 18 April 2014 19:57
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Sat, 19 April 2014 05:30
		Re: Known Cheats By: magic9mushroom on Tue, 15 April 2014 00:03
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Tue, 15 April 2014 04:57
		Re: Known Cheats By: magic9mushroom on Tue, 15 April 2014 06:42
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Wed, 16 April 2014 13:05
		Re: Known Cheats By: magic9mushroom on Thu, 17 April 2014 01:56
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Thu, 17 April 2014 05:13
		Re: Known Cheats By: magic9mushroom on Thu, 10 April 2014 21:36
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Fri, 11 April 2014 04:56
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Fri, 11 April 2014 02:08
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Fri, 11 April 2014 04:48
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Fri, 11 April 2014 10:06
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Fri, 11 April 2014 13:38
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Fri, 11 April 2014 16:00
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Tue, 15 April 2014 06:24
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Wed, 16 April 2014 12:44
		Re: Known Cheats By: nmid on Thu, 17 April 2014 12:07
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Thu, 17 April 2014 13:22
		Re: Known Cheats By: nmid on Thu, 17 April 2014 13:36
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Fri, 18 April 2014 05:45
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Wed, 16 April 2014 13:26
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Tue, 15 April 2014 14:46
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Tue, 15 April 2014 18:02
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Wed, 16 April 2014 12:56
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Wed, 16 April 2014 13:08
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Wed, 16 April 2014 13:30
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Wed, 16 April 2014 13:47
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Wed, 16 April 2014 14:21
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Wed, 16 April 2014 15:13
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Wed, 16 April 2014 15:22
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Thu, 17 April 2014 05:15
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Wed, 16 April 2014 15:15
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Wed, 16 April 2014 15:24
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Thu, 17 April 2014 05:23
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Thu, 17 April 2014 06:11
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Thu, 17 April 2014 12:38
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Wed, 16 April 2014 18:08
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Wed, 16 April 2014 20:15
		Re: Known Cheats By: neilhoward on Thu, 17 April 2014 04:24
		Re: Known Cheats By: nmid on Thu, 17 April 2014 12:40
		Re: Known Cheats By: neilhoward on Thu, 17 April 2014 22:55
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Thu, 17 April 2014 05:37
		Re: Known Cheats By: nmid on Thu, 17 April 2014 11:58
		Re: Known Cheats By: nmid on Thu, 17 April 2014 12:01
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Thu, 17 April 2014 13:06
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Thu, 17 April 2014 12:55
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Thu, 17 April 2014 05:49
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Thu, 17 April 2014 06:14
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Thu, 17 April 2014 11:10
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Thu, 17 April 2014 11:58
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Thu, 17 April 2014 13:04
		Re: Known Cheats By: neilhoward on Thu, 17 April 2014 04:12
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Thu, 17 April 2014 05:03
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Thu, 17 April 2014 17:04
		Re: Known Cheats By: ccmaster on Thu, 17 April 2014 21:32
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Fri, 18 April 2014 11:08
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Fri, 18 April 2014 05:59
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Fri, 18 April 2014 06:51
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Fri, 18 April 2014 13:12
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Fri, 18 April 2014 13:16
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Fri, 18 April 2014 13:58
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Fri, 18 April 2014 16:22
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Sat, 19 April 2014 05:12
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Sat, 19 April 2014 13:37
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Sun, 20 April 2014 06:40
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Sun, 20 April 2014 09:19
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Sun, 20 April 2014 14:06
		Re: Known Cheats By: neilhoward on Fri, 18 April 2014 21:56
		Re: Known Cheats By: magic9mushroom on Sat, 19 April 2014 03:42
		Re: Known Cheats By: neilhoward on Sat, 19 April 2014 19:37
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Sun, 20 April 2014 06:42
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Sat, 19 April 2014 05:33
		. By: XAPBob on Sun, 20 April 2014 14:23
		Re: Known Cheats By: neilhoward on Sun, 20 April 2014 15:02
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Sun, 20 April 2014 15:17
		Re: Known Cheats By: neilhoward on Sun, 20 April 2014 17:45
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Tue, 22 April 2014 05:36
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Sun, 20 April 2014 17:43
		Re: Known Cheats By: neilhoward on Tue, 22 April 2014 17:41
		Re: Known Cheats By: magic9mushroom on Thu, 22 May 2014 07:32
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Thu, 22 May 2014 15:17
		Re: Known Cheats By: magic9mushroom on Thu, 22 May 2014 18:31
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Fri, 23 May 2014 06:54
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Fri, 23 May 2014 07:02
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Fri, 23 May 2014 07:10
		Re: Known Cheats By: Anonymous Coward on Fri, 23 May 2014 17:46
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Sat, 24 May 2014 15:21
		Re: Known Cheats By: dlrichert on Thu, 22 May 2014 16:31
		Re: Known Cheats By: nmid on Thu, 22 May 2014 17:17
		Re: Known Cheats By: dlrichert on Sun, 25 May 2014 00:52
		Re: Known Cheats By: nmid on Sun, 25 May 2014 06:30
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Mon, 26 May 2014 17:34
		Re: Known Cheats By: magic9mushroom on Tue, 27 May 2014 00:11
		Re: Known Cheats By: dlrichert on Tue, 27 May 2014 02:40
		Re: Known Cheats By: nmid on Tue, 27 May 2014 11:12
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Tue, 27 May 2014 11:32
		Re: Known Cheats By: nmid on Tue, 27 May 2014 18:00
		Re: Known Cheats By: Anonymous Coward on Tue, 27 May 2014 12:33
		Re: Known Cheats By: magic9mushroom on Wed, 28 May 2014 02:50
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Wed, 28 May 2014 06:35
		Re: Known Cheats By: magic9mushroom on Wed, 28 May 2014 08:37
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Wed, 28 May 2014 14:22
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Wed, 28 May 2014 16:40
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Fri, 23 May 2014 05:04
		Re: Known Cheats By: neilhoward on Sat, 24 May 2014 01:40
		Re: Known Cheats By: Anonymous Coward on Thu, 22 May 2014 16:21
		Re: Known Cheats By: neilhoward on Mon, 26 May 2014 18:06
		Re: Known Cheats By: neilhoward on Tue, 27 May 2014 21:52
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Wed, 28 May 2014 13:00
		Re: Known Cheats By: neilhoward on Fri, 30 May 2014 07:10
		Re: Known Cheats By: magic9mushroom on Thu, 29 May 2014 08:16
		Re: Known Cheats By: Asmodai on Fri, 30 May 2014 05:15
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Fri, 30 May 2014 06:04
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Fri, 30 May 2014 12:46
		Re: Known Cheats By: Asmodai on Fri, 30 May 2014 08:22
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Fri, 30 May 2014 09:03
		Re: Known Cheats By: Asmodai on Fri, 30 May 2014 09:36
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Fri, 30 May 2014 11:50
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Fri, 30 May 2014 12:51
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Fri, 30 May 2014 18:41
		Re: Known Cheats By: nmid on Fri, 30 May 2014 18:46
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Sat, 31 May 2014 03:24
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Sat, 31 May 2014 09:39
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Sat, 31 May 2014 11:52
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Sat, 31 May 2014 20:31
		Re: Known Cheats By: mrvan on Sun, 01 June 2014 06:00
		Re: Known Cheats By: neilhoward on Sat, 31 May 2014 05:10
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Sat, 31 May 2014 06:32
		Re: Known Cheats By: m.a@stars on Sat, 31 May 2014 14:21
		Re: Known Cheats By: Asmodai on Tue, 03 June 2014 09:16
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Tue, 03 June 2014 17:37
		Re: Known Cheats By: Anonymous Coward on Mon, 16 June 2014 16:21
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Mon, 16 June 2014 23:58
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Tue, 17 June 2014 02:50
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Wed, 18 June 2014 09:22
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Wed, 18 June 2014 10:00
		Re: Known Cheats By: Anonymous Coward on Wed, 18 June 2014 16:46
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Wed, 18 June 2014 17:34
		Re: Known Cheats By: Anonymous Coward on Fri, 20 June 2014 17:38
		Re: Known Cheats By: skoormit on Fri, 20 June 2014 20:03
		Re: Known Cheats By: XAPBob on Sat, 21 June 2014 02:32

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